My BR has now hit 40$ after being nearly triple that. I now am stepping back and realizing I just need some help. I am asking anyone for help. If you would like to watch one of sngs, or willing to help me on a consistent basis for a week or two. I guess I would even pay if i had to. I try and play failr conservative, but will take blinds when needed. I try to get ships in with best hand, but my AQ just lost to A2, so idk what a best hand is anymore. But seriously anyone who would be kind enough to help with any suggestions coaching, pointers, anything will be greatly appreciated.I do have some PT stats but not much at all to show. Thanks

* I am constantly getting killed in 1.25 now, so have conceded to the fact I am a donk

Originally Posted by Mr_Henley

My BR has now hit 40$ after being nearly triple that. I now am stepping back and realizing I just need some help. I am asking anyone for help. If you would like to watch one of sngs, or willing to help me on a consistent basis for a week or two. I guess I would even pay if i had to. I try and play failr conservative, but will take blinds when needed. I try to get ships in with best hand, but my AQ just lost to A2, so idk what a best hand is anymore. But seriously anyone who would be kind enough to help with any suggestions coaching, pointers, anything will be greatly appreciated.I do have some PT stats but not much at all to show. Thanks

* I am constantly getting killed in 1.25 now, so have conceded to the fact I am a donk

Dude, it's not that.
Listen to this : with 5$, I got it up to 470, cashed out 200. For some reason other than supposedly bad beats 75%, tilt 25%/bad plays because of these stupid beats, down to 0, had to reload the profit back, down to 10$.

From that point, took a break, yadda yadda, got it up to 100$. Played a tourney, finish 4th, fot 270$. Cashed out 200.

After that was left 160$. Again, people will again try to rationolize that this yadda yadda, variance, yadda yadda losing streak, cold deck situations, whatever crap exists in books, poker terms, whatever and I HAVE PROOF THAT IT'S BAD BEATS AGAIN THAT RUINED 75% OF MY ROLL the rest was tilting, not good focus, again, these fucking streaks of bad beats over and over resulting to tilt. Now, I got 13$ in the account. So basically, im 200$ over. But fucking fuck im not going to reload anything anymore.

This is mental exhaustness. Bad beat, after bad beat, after bad beat, after bad beat, then you tilt. After you get cold deck situations in the such:

BB, Ad8d, limp. Flop As-8s-Kd. I check, button min bets, I min raise, he minraise, i min raise, he min raise, I call. Turn 8. I shove all in, he call, flips over KK. You were doomed to lose your chips anyways. Top 2 pairs, guy has a set. You flop a str8, guy hits runner runner full house.
You can't do anything.

So before you say you are a donk, take my exemple. There is a lot more luck in poker that people think. When you are all in with the best hand, 80% favorite or more, has long has the other has outs, you can never be certain of winning.

I clearly know the limits I dominate. But you can't do ANYTHING when this type of shit happens. So you should really take out what's left in your roll, cuz it AINT GONNA CHANGE.

Everybody at the poker table thinks he's better than the 8 others. Whenever you play good, always remember that what goes up must come down. Except for the real gifted ones, like real gifted blackjack players, you either will break even or win a little. The rest is a fantasy the media is trying to sell.

How many books you read, maybe 10 ? Still, where you at ? Even if you understand the game and shit, others understand the game too.

anyway, if you want, pm me we'll msn chat

Originally Posted by mister.x

Dude, it's not that.
Listen to this : with 5$, I got it up to 470, cashed out 200. For some reason other than supposedly bad beats 75%, tilt 25%/bad plays because of these stupid beats, down to 0, had to reload the profit back, down to 10$.

From that point, took a break, yadda yadda, got it up to 100$. Played a tourney, finish 4th, fot 270$. Cashed out 200.

After that was left 160$. Again, people will again try to rationolize that this yadda yadda, variance, yadda yadda losing streak, cold deck situations, whatever crap exists in books, poker terms, whatever and I HAVE PROOF THAT IT'S BAD BEATS AGAIN THAT RUINED 75% OF MY ROLL the rest was tilting, not good focus, again, these fucking streaks of bad beats over and over resulting to tilt. Now, I got 13$ in the account. So basically, im 200$ over. But fucking fuck im not going to reload anything anymore.

This is mental exhaustness. Bad beat, after bad beat, after bad beat, after bad beat, then you tilt. After you get cold deck situations in the such:

BB, Ad8d, limp. Flop As-8s-Kd. I check, button min bets, I min raise, he minraise, i min raise, he min raise, I call. Turn 8. I shove all in, he call, flips over KK. You were doomed to lose your chips anyways. Top 2 pairs, guy has a set. You flop a str8, guy hits runner runner full house.
You can't do anything.

So before you say you are a donk, take my exemple. There is a lot more luck in poker that people think. When you are all in with the best hand, 80% favorite or more, has long has the other has outs, you can never be certain of winning.

I clearly know the limits I dominate. But you can't do ANYTHING when this type of shit happens. So you should really take out what's left in your roll, cuz it AINT GONNA CHANGE.

Everybody at the poker table thinks he's better than the 8 others. Whenever you play good, always remember that what goes up must come down. Except for the real gifted ones, like real gifted blackjack players, you either will break even or win a little. The rest is a fantasy the media is trying to sell.

How many books you read, maybe 10 ? Still, where you at ? Even if you understand the game and shit, others understand the game too.

anyway, if you want, pm me we'll msn chat

That is why the whole idea of long-term equity value makes professionals and winning players what they are. It's not that they're "gifted" to have better luck than others, that's just what losing players say to make themself feel better. It actually makes you worse because you are self-validating your own bad play, and will continue to play badly, whining about bad luck forever. Maybe you should re-read sklansky's theory of poker to truly understand how to play for long term gain. Bankroll management is very important as well. Please mr_henley don't listen to his frustrated rant, emotions are the bane of poker.

I had the same problem, cept I had 450 dollas and I lost it ALL, worked my way back to 20 by selling play money and doing freerolls. Im me at cheneysbull AIM or email jakeyzach@optonline.net and we can help each other

I would load a hand but dont know how and almost ready to quit altogether...but am in 9 man 2.25 turbo sng. First hand I have KQ late position and raise X3 BB. other guy calls. flop is K 10 Q. I lead out with half the pot, he pushes....I know it maybe isnt best play but am on tilt and decided to call. He has AA. River comes a Jack (Go figure) and I lose. Just also finished 4th in same tourney, have a strait on turn, opponent and I push, he nails Flush on river. I understand the outs and possible hands I could be dealing with when putting chips all-in. But lately is really just ticking me off, and dontk now what to do anymore, and almost dont care, because just reading a book and watching pros on tv or internet isnt working. I have tried talking myself through hands and decisions, using more math, maybe using more logic, mixing up play. I cant find anything that is working, and now am down to 37$. I constantly get beat out in 1/2$ SNG and my cash game play is horrible, even at .05/.10. I try to stay optimistic but am also realistic....I am not a very good player, and If I cant take down reasonable ROI at 1.25 levels, probably dont need to be risking any money at all online.

Originally Posted by Mr_Henley

I would load a hand but dont know how and almost ready to quit altogether...but am in 9 man 2.25 turbo sng. First hand I have KQ late position and raise X3 BB. other guy calls. flop is K 10 Q. I lead out with half the pot, he pushes....I know it maybe isnt best play but am on tilt and decided to call. He has AA. River comes a Jack (Go figure) and I lose. Just also finished 4th in same tourney, have a strait on turn, opponent and I push, he nails Flush on river. I understand the outs and possible hands I could be dealing with when putting chips all-in. But lately is really just ticking me off, and dontk now what to do anymore, and almost dont care, because just reading a book and watching pros on tv or internet isnt working. I have tried talking myself through hands and decisions, using more math, maybe using more logic, mixing up play. I cant find anything that is working, and now am down to 37$. I constantly get beat out in 1/2$ SNG and my cash game play is horrible, even at .05/.10. I try to stay optimistic but am also realistic....I am not a very good player, and If I cant take down reasonable ROI at 1.25 levels, probably dont need to be risking any money at all online.

there is nothing wrong with your play. You don't control what the others do in the first place and you don't control the cards that fall.

the is no scientific explination to that.

Originally Posted by mister.x

there is nothing wrong with your play. You don't control what the others do in the first place and you don't control the cards that fall.

the is no scientific explination to that.

If you are giving up on poker then just leave, stop trying to drag him down with you. This forum is for helping others and improving your own game, it's not for whining about bad luck and failing to realize you may not be the best player.

Henley, you should start from scratch with cash games, SnG have a hugely wider variance than cash games and long-term winning in cash games is more straight-forward than playing SnG's.

Read "The Theory of Poker" and "Small Stakes Hold'em", both by David Sklansky before diving in. Absorb a good understanding of the fundamentals to long-term profit. Once you feel confident that you can stick to a plan, start out on a low level with sufficient bankroll (25-30x buy-in, e.g. if you are going to play NL10, have $250-$300 bankroll). BRM (bankroll management) is important for keeping yourself off of tilt. You WILL lose entire buy-ins or big amounts at some point. Nobody plays perfectly, and nobody can avoid bad beats. The reason winning players are just that, is because they know and accept this, and continue playing solid to reap the benefits of when the bad luck disappears. The big picture is maximizing your winnings when you have the best of it, and minimizing the losses otherwise.

Continue to post in the Hand Analysis section for help when you might have played a hand poorly, or maybe you won the hand but thought you could have got more out of it, etc. Anything you were unsure of during play, note it and post it for us when your session is done.

Another good investment is Poker Tracker, it will help you see your agression levels, positional stats, everything you can think of, plus the same for all opponents that are dealt-in with you. Then download gametime+ if you want to overlay people's stats right on the poker table window.

Good luck!