I've been at the table for only a short while, and didn't really know how this guy played or anything...

How do you guys think I played this?! What would you have done differently?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.01 BB (9 handed)

SB ($$2.21)
BB ($$6.15)
UTG ($$1.66)
UTG+1 ($$10.10)
MP1 ($$4.76)
MP2 ($$1.03)
MP3 (Villain) ($$1.16)
UzumkiNaruto ($$2.07)
Button ($$5.07)

Preflop: UzumkiNaruto is CO with 3s, 3d.
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls $0.02, MP1 calls $0.02, MP2 folds, MP3 (Villain) calls $0.02, UzumkiNaruto calls $0.02, Button folds, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($0.13) 3h, Jh, Qc (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, Villain checks, UzumkiNaruto bets $0.1, SB folds, BB folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, Villain calls $0.10.

Turn: ($0.33) Ad (2 players)
Villain checks, UzumkiNaruto bets $0.28, Villain calls $0.28.

River: ($0.89) 7h (2 players)
Villain bets $0.76 (All-In), UzumkiNaruto folds.

Final Pot: $1.65
Main Pot: $0.89, won by Villain.
Pot 2: $0.76, returned to Villain.

Well I can't judge your flop or turn play, as I have very little idea of how much to bet in certain situations.

But on the river I think you made a good fold. I think that's the kind of play that looks like a bluff but really isn't. It's happened to me in some freerolls, and I even saw it on the WPT once! But the WPT example was on the turn, so there was one more card to come, which probably changes everything.

Basically, in my limited NL experience, I've run into this kind of play and lost.

Hey Stevey,

Yeah, the way I played this hand was pretty much textbook imho. I did play it a little differently than usual. Usually if I think the guy's on a flush draw I'll bet just over the pot. Here I decided to go under since I've now come to the conclusion that you want him to chase the flush. If the odds of him getting the flush on the turn is just under 1 in 5, then if you force him to commit more than 1 in 5 to the pot (like 1/2 or 1/3), then he's making a mistake. But if you force him to comming 3/4 of the pot, then that's such a large amount that he'll fold). So I bet under it so it'd cost him around 1/3 to see the turn. --- This might not be that accurate, but it's how i see things .

I think I'm going to start betting 66-75 percent of the pot next time if I think he's on the flush, to make it so that they're even more likely to call *grin*.

For you and your limit, there's almost never a time to not chase the flush. Rarely do you have to commit more than 1/5 of the pot... So it's usually good for you (the flush chaser) to raise! Thereby paying yourself off more when it hits. Of course the guy could just fold, in which case good stuff lol. --- This's my understanding of limit... I'm sure many don't agree with this, but it's what i've read.

I really didn't need to post it on here. I only did so because he showed his hand after, and it wasn't a flush. He had 2 pair (As and 7s). I don't understand why he'd even call my bet on the flop with such a junk hand... I ended up getting the money back from him a few hands later, so it's all good. I guess I just needed someone to tell me that the fold was good. Thank you Stevey, you've repaired my shattered ego and now I can put this hand behind me and move on.

Cheers,

Mike

PS. In the future I think I will post a collection of hands that I think I made real bad moves... Better hands than this one.

What is CO .. Underthegun i get MidPos. Blinds Button but what is CO?

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CO is cutoff, which is one away from the dealer button.

Well basically when he makes that move it's because he improved to what he thought was the better hand and tries to make it look like a bluff to get paid off. I think he would have done the same thing if a non-flush seven fell, in which case I'd just lose my hair trying to decide in 15 seconds.

And in limit there are definitely times when it's profitable to raise a flush draw, just to build the pot. It's actually a concept that I didn't know about until recently somebody showed me an example of when it works. I have trouble explaining it though so I'll save my breath. or fingers. Whatevor!

I think there's a saying that it's normal to fold the best hand sometimes in NL.

<3

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Yea that was a good play, but Doyle has a different strategy which I use in most cases. When it flops flush draw and you have a set, i just go all in. Most players are to weak/timid to commit their whole stack to the pot. And even if they do you have good odds to double up.

What thats creating is sort of a semi-bluff with a very good hand for backup. The pressure is no longer on you, and the decision is on him. Even if he has a hand like QJh, he may think your on a flush draw with a higher card (kh,Ah) even though you have trips.

This strategy is also good for gaining respect because people will fear you every time you raise, or they will always check to you because they think you will reraise behind them.

Personally I feel this is TRUE poker(not the new 5 tables/tight play ) because you play on your opponents emotions and fear and you must take a more agressive/dominant stance at the table.

Anyways I'm rambling........ good play though. You didn't know your opponent
so its good to assume that he actually had the hand instead of thinking he was bluffing.

Edit: Actually I think the agressive strategy works wonders in short handed games and not so well in full games like the one you were in, but who knows.

ok well i skimmed(sp?) the posts while playing a s/g n i have some things to say. i already talked to naruto bout the hand n it was a good fold most of the time u r beat. ok not sure who said wat but betting on a flush draw in limit doesnt make sense n also u will lose more money wen u dont hit which is more of the time n wen u do hit u wont cap it on every card. u want the most people in the pot for the cheapest wen chasing lol. also its not always right in limit! jus cuz its limit doesnt mean u should chase!!! wen its heads up in a hand n they have a made hand n u wanna see that 3rd hearts its a terrible play!

anyway to sum1 else who was talkin bout doyle, doyle doesnt go broke over a .30 cent pot. u got that whole thing wrong lol. doyles strategy wont work on the penny tables cuz they will jus call u with anything. doyle wouldnt reccommend(sp? lol) raising wit 56s or losing $2 for a .30 cent pot lol. he stressed that alot... if the pot if big enough go for it n u prolly should raise a lil more than .1 wit a hand like that n a board like that

anyway sry for the length but keep the hands coming!

I'm talking when he has the cinch/nuts, not preflop...... if you have 56s and it flops 666 it doesnt matter if your opponent has AK or AA or KK, you have him beat. From what I gathered, he likes to get all his chips into the middle when he has the best hand and hope people call him. He also bluffs too...

Edit: Also I'm tired of everyone saying that people on the pennies tables call all-ins every time. I notice the majority of players are to timid to do that, and even if they try to play hero, it doesn't always work. They do tend to play crap and over estimate the power of hands though.

is a bottom set on a board with a flush and straight draw in a 6 way pot the pure nuts?

naruto jus u have to play it harder on the flop u cant bet .10 make em pay to draw out on u while u have almost as many outs as them as making a full wit the made hand. just bet alot bigger on the flop .10 cents doesnt do it