Flush draw vs straight draw - Page 4

lairyboy · #31 (**permalink**) 05-13-2007, 11:06 PM

lol at this whole stupid thread. I'm just waiting for Seany to read this thread and for the wars to really begin. And PP111, would you stop telling people to "read my thread before you post." If you would read other people's replies thoroughly then you might not have made an ass out of yourself by getting pissed off at Loz being sarcastic. And the reason no one reads your posts before they reply is because they are always really fucking long and repetitive and long and repetitive.

Pinguaq · #32 (**permalink**) 05-15-2007, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by DaFish

there's no mention of Hold'em anywhere, not sure this applies. It would work for Draw Poker I suppose

It's the same odds... same 52 cards deck, same 5 card hands; the difference is in the betting patterns.

My already low opinion of op hit rock bottom with this thread. I can't believe people play this game and don’t have the most basic understanding of the hands and odd's of hitting "outs"

When calculating the rank of a hand in any game of poker, start with 0 cards and figure out the odds of getting the 5 cards you need being dealt 5 (or 7) random cards.

"Yea, but with 5 cards the odds of hitting the draw is greater for a flush than a straight so a straight should be higher ranking" is one of the most stupid things I have ever heard. You have to include the odds of getting that draw in the first place.

Yes op, I did read your non-sense in every post and really think you need to read a good book or 3.

Have a nice day

OrionPro · #33 (**permalink**) 05-16-2007, 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Pinguaq

It's the same odds... same 52 cards deck, same 5 card hands; the difference is in the betting patterns.

If we flop a flush draw in Hold'em, we know 9 cards of the remaining 47 cards will help us on the turn. In draw poker, if we flop a flush draw, we know that any 9 of 48 cards will help us. I think it's possible that we get the same card back in draw poker, which we just dumped. So the odds are not the same. The odds of FLOPPING either a straight or flush should be same, but that's not where the game ends, and that was poker111's original question.

Pinguaq · #34 (**permalink**) 05-16-2007, 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by DaFish

If we flop a flush draw in Hold'em, we know 9 cards of the remaining 47 cards will help us on the turn. In draw poker, if we flop a flush draw, we know that any 9 of 48 cards will help us. I think it's possible that we get the same card back in draw poker, which we just dumped. So the odds are not the same. The odds of FLOPPING either a straight or flush should be same, but that's not where the game ends, and that was poker111's original question.

As op likes to say, read his post. His original "concern"/question was

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Hi, Ive been playing poker for about 2 years now and have always wondered why flushs were ranked higher than straights

That is what I responded to. However, what do you mean about remaining 47/48 cards. Where do you account fo the other card?

Hold'em: At flop you know 5 of the cards.
5 card Draw: Aftrer first deal, you know 5 of the cards.

Both cases there are 47 unknown cards left after you see the first 5.

Pinguaq · #35 (**permalink**) 05-16-2007, 06:16 AM

Find Zen before it finds you.

OrionPro · #36 (**permalink**) 05-16-2007, 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Pinguaq

As op likes to say, read his post. His original "concern"/question was

That is what I responded to. However, what do you mean about remaining 47/48 cards. Where do you account for the other card?

Well I'm not sure now whether the cards are dead which we exchange or not, so maybe you're right. The odds of making a flush definitely change if the exchanged cards go back into the deck before we get a new one. No big deal in any case.

Pinguaq · #37 (**permalink**) 05-16-2007, 06:39 AM

Discarded cards are mucked in draw. The deck is not re-shuffled between draws.

OrionPro · #38 (**permalink**) 05-16-2007, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Pinguaq

Discarded cards are mucked in draw. The deck is not re-shuffled between draws.

Ok, then you're right and the odds stay the same of making a flush or straight by showdown.

Pinguaq · #39 (**permalink**) 05-16-2007, 11:26 AM

I figured I'd also mention that Loz was right when he explained what flushes & straights are. Using that information alone with basic math skills, it's easy to figure out why flushes are ranked higher than straights. Loz also took it a step further for those who couldn’t even figure that out that straight flushes are even more difficult to get, which is why they are ranked the highest

Using pp111's logic we may have to analyse why trips are ranked higher than 2 pair.

OrionPro · #40 (**permalink**) 05-16-2007, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinguaq

I figured I'd also mention that Loz was right when he explained what flushes & straights are. Using that information alone with basic math skills, it's easy to figure out why flushes are ranked higher than straights. Loz also took it a step further for those who couldn’t even figure that out that straight flushes are even more difficult to get, which is why they are ranked the highest

Using pp111's logic we may have to analyse why trips are ranked higher than 2 pair.

In case you're not joking, or someone doesn't know - we have to hit 2 cards out of 6 to make two pair, and 2 cards out of 3 to make trips, so the latter is a lot more difficult. Still, it's not trivial to calculate the exact percentages.