KJ explained it to a "T"... There are sometimes, especially in tourneys where there is SO much money in the pot that you KNOW that with 3, 4, or even 5 people pushing AI, or calling AI some or most will likely have monster hands, maye even duplication say 1 has AA, one has AK, another has KK and one has QQ or even AQ where their outs may be already gone and they are all drawing for one card so say your on the button with T10000 in chips and its late in a tourney, (or early in a rebuy, just re-do the math) and there is T40K or T60K (or another appropriate number) giving you 4-1, 5-1 or 6-1 odds on your money in the pot and you have a small PP or suited connectors that are big hand busters it may warrant calling because you have to risk so little to gain so much, and say you only need to have your hand hit X amount of times to be a +EV call. In a 9 handed cash game if there is 5 or 6 people on the flop, lots of raising, re-raising and more of the same on the turn and river you may find spots were your pot odds are 15-1 or even as high as 20-1 like in $1/$2 limit and there is $50 in the pot on the river and you have to call a $2 bet on the river giving you 25-1 to call.. But, I've also seen people fold on the river in those situations when I have had marginal hands and had it checked to me in LP and have the table fold when I bet it when people are getting those kind of odds to call.
Or more simply, say 3 different times in a tourney or cash game you have 5-1 pot odds and you call all 3 times but only hit one of the times you have to risk 1000 chips to gain 5000, and your hand only hits 1/3 times then you have risked 3000 chips to gain 5000 and it is a +EV situation.
I have done this many many times in tourneys and in cash games and have it pay off, and I think long term it is probably a +EV move but of course every situation is different so use your judgement accordingly. I had one hand in a cash game not too long ago where there was almost $110 in the pot PF and I only had to call $16 of my $180 (6.1-1 pot odds) with 67 suited, I was in the BB and called and flopped a set of 7's and a 6 on the turn for a FH. Was it a donk move, probably but with those kind of odds sometimes you just *have* to call.
Does anyone else think I'm too far off base here?
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