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Old 05-13-2006, 02:26 AM
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Sorry it doesn't meet your criteria of being important.

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See, now why is the story changing again?
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Well I guess I am glad there are varying opinions. And NO right answers.
fyi, you have absolutely NO idea what you are talking about. you are wrong. dont argue. you have played poker 8 times and you are trying to teach players here about heads up? lol. let me get on my other computer and give you some information on how your heads up play can be absolutely mathamatically unexploitable.

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Old 05-13-2006, 10:22 AM
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there are many ways of playing heads up poker well. here is a little info on ONE of the ways.
*where i got this information will not be revealed. i do not take any credit for this work. only forwarding it*
and this is assuming you are in a partypoker endgame heads up situation, however this COULD be applied to any endgame

Heads-Up All-In Strategies
"Heads-up strategy is particularly tractable for some fairly detailed analysis. I am going to present a more or less complete HU all-in strategy that has some very nice properties, and then we'll talk a little bit about how to tweak the baseline strategy when playing against particular kinds of players, to maximize winnings.
The HU strategy I am about to lay out is called the Nash Equilibrium. This is a fancy sounding name from game theory for a strategy that is unbeatable. By unbeatable, I mean that no matter what your opponent does, he cannot get an edge on you. In game theory the NE (Nash Equilibrium) is called the "solution" to the game. In practice, the NE is just one very important strategy. It's the ultimate defense. It's how you could play if you knew nothing about your opponent, or if you feared he was a better player than you, because it leaves no holes in your game.
Note that this is different from what is called a "maximal" strategy, which is designed for a particular opponent's strategy to extract the most winnings. The NE simply prevents your opponent from extracting any winnings from you, no matter what he does. However, anything he does other than also play the NE, will shift the edge to you.
Ok, so let's start with a Party style endgame situation: even chip stacks of 5k, and blinds at the maximum level of 300/600. Let's not worry about how I generated these solutions for now, it suffices to say that these are the solution to a mathematical problem called a linear program, and setting up and solving the problem is a fairly involved endeavor. In terms of complexity it might be a good smallish project for an applied mathematics PhD student, which is why you probably haven't seen this before, it's beyond the mathematical abilities of the vast majority of players. This solution does not depend on any particular hand ranking, and it considers "mixed strategies", where hands can be played probabilistically. This is necessary to find the NE strategy. Here's the first NE strategy table: "


then there are about 20 differnt tables of where to push all in depending on your hand and the blinds.

NOW, here is more information from the same source about a DIFFERNT way to play, and more information on heads up and stuff. again im not going to include the tables or the math, just the introduction. im not including this info for a few reasons. one, i paid for it and somebody worked very hard on this. and two, if i included the whole secion on heads up play, it would take at least 20 minutes for you guys to read. im just proving a point, that there are many profitable heads up strategies. again, not my work.

"Ok, as a refresher let's state once again that the interesting and useful thing about the NE strategy is that no matter what your opponent does, it is impossible for him to get an edge on you. The best he can do is to also play NE. If he plays something else, you get the edge.
However, once he is playing something other than NE, you can extract more winnings by also playing something other than NE. NE will always win, but it won't always win the most. The strategy that wins the most against a particular strategy is called the maximal counter strategy. The maximal counter strategy depends on what your opponent is doing. The NE doesn't. I am hammering on these points repeatedly but it's important that you really understand these concepts to get the most out of this lesson that you can take to the tables.
Ok, so let's assume for a moment that you are not satisfied with simply not losing and taking what your opponent hands you, you want to take the risk of getting outplayed to try to get the biggest edge you can on your opponent. Once you deviate from NE, you are opening the possibility of him adjusting and outplayng you. But if you feel confident that you can stay one step ahead, you can make adjustments from NE to go after a bigger edge. "




on a lighter note, i do not claim to know these strategies in full. however, ill still play you heads up, and if you are going all in every hand i know im going to beat you in the long run. if you play straight up, ill beat you even more.

nice little conclusion:

Let me wrap up by making some practical comments about HU play. While we are studying pushing strategies here as a basis, I don't advocate playing too robotically, only pushing or re-raising all-in preflop every single time. The main reason for this is that it tends to annoy a lot of players, who often loosen up out of simple frustration or spite, and unwittingly start playing closer to proper strategy. By mixing in some flat calls and min-raises, possibly with big hands to go for a trap, you generally have a more unpredictable appearance and your opponent will tend to react to you with caution and uncertainty, playing too passively as a result. Once you've got him a little confused, hopefully while blinds are a little lower, then you can run over him with an aggressive pushing strategy as the blinds go up. With R at 10 or lower, this is less important and just falling back on NE or adjusted NE pushing is going to be effective.
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"fyi, you have absolutely NO idea what you are talking about. you are wrong. dont argue. you have played poker 8 times and you are trying to teach players here about heads up? lol. "

i guess I will just have to say fuck you, read the thread moron, you missed some very important points. Like last 2 players, 25k each in chips, 6000/12000 blinds.

but whatever, this is getting old - too many big headed idiots here.
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no matter what the blinds, even if it appears a crapshoot, you can find an edge to push with.
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tightagressive, out of curiosity...this strategy seems to include a lot of all-ins?

that would be somewhat different on how pros usually play HU, from what i've seen so far.

Also, from what I read about Vex Bot (the computer program that beats any player) it definitely is more than NE, it includes AI as well so the information you got may be wrong.

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"fyi, you have absolutely NO idea what you are talking about. you are wrong. dont argue. you have played poker 8 times and you are trying to teach players here about heads up? lol. "

i guess I will just have to say fuck you, read the thread moron, you missed some very important points. Like last 2 players, 25k each in chips, 6000/12000 blinds.

but whatever, this is getting old - too many big headed idiots here.
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Welcome to the forum. Hope you enjoyed your brief stay.
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Old 05-15-2006, 08:26 AM
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I'm no expert by any stretch of the imagination. But i used to go all in a lot when i first got HU on sngs. This did seem to be quite a good tactic. However, now i try and play more flops as i feel i'm a better player now and try and out play my opponent on the flop more often than not, and especially if the blinds are relatively low.

At the end of the day though luck is the major factor. Just a quick example from last light, guy raises me i re-raise with kq suited, he goes all in i call. he shows q9 off. flop comes 24q turn is an A river is a 9. Maybe i should have just called his raise? but i think at the end of the day with a Q on the flop, all the chips were going in anyway.
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