cant even win with AA vs AJ

Full Tilt Poker Game #27075223305: Step 2 (Super Turbo) (210356884), Table 1 - 30/60 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:20:40 ET - 2011/01/07
Seat 1: Never2Old (485)
Seat 3: QuinnyMighty (270)
Seat 6: Mr Boar (560)
Seat 7: Quandobet (540)
Seat 8: sweeper22 (560)
Seat 9: Corradi16 (285)
QuinnyMighty posts the small blind of 30
Mr Boar posts the big blind of 60
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to sweeper22 [Ad Ac]
Quandobet raises to 210
sweeper22 raises to 560, and is all in
Corradi16 folds
Never2Old folds
QuinnyMighty folds
Mr Boar has 15 seconds left to act
Mr Boar folds
Quandobet calls 330, and is all in
sweeper22 shows [Ad Ac]
Quandobet shows [JavaScript As]
Uncalled bet of 20 returned to sweeper22
*** FLOP *** [Jh 4d 8c]
*** TURN *** [Jh 4d 8c] [Jc]
*** RIVER *** [Jh 4d 8c Jc] [Tc]
sweeper22 shows two pair, Aces and Jacks
Quandobet shows three of a kind, Jacks
Quandobet wins the pot (1,170) with three of a kind, Jacks
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1,170 | Rake 0
Board: [Jh 4d 8c Jc Tc]
Seat 1: Never2Old (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: QuinnyMighty (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: Mr Boar (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 7: Quandobet showed [JavaScript As] and won (1,170) with three of a kind, Jacks
Seat 8: sweeper22 showed [Ad Ac] and lost with two pair, Aces and Jacks
Seat 9: Corradi16 didn't bet (folded)

I feel ya on that one...

I was eliminated in 6 consecutive tournaments about a month and a half ago with AA vs Ax

Always sick

And now a 300+ tourny down to 15 and my AQ loses to A7...sick

Full Tilt Poker Game #27076248778: $11 + $1 Rush On Demand (210342057), Table 15 - 1000/2000 Ante 250 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:06:28 ET - 2011/01/07
Seat 1: hack and slash (36,085)
Seat 2: Lisavarvara (29,215)
Seat 3: brandi515 (82,719)
Seat 4: sweeper22 (8,585)
Seat 5: WiteBoysCanJump (80,066)
hack and slash antes 250
Lisavarvara antes 250
brandi515 antes 250
sweeper22 antes 250
WiteBoysCanJump antes 250
Lisavarvara posts the small blind of 1,000
brandi515 posts the big blind of 2,000
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to sweeper22 [Qd As]
sweeper22 raises to 8,335, and is all in
WiteBoysCanJump folds
hack and slash folds
Lisavarvara raises to 28,965, and is all in
brandi515 has 15 seconds left to act
brandi515 has timed out
brandi515 folds
Lisavarvara shows [7h Ad]
sweeper22 shows [Qd As]
Uncalled bet of 20,630 returned to Lisavarvara
*** FLOP *** [3c 4c Td]
*** TURN *** [3c 4c Td] [7d]
*** RIVER *** [3c 4c Td 7d] [9d]
Lisavarvara shows a pair of Sevens
sweeper22 shows Ace Queen high
Lisavarvara wins the pot (19,920) with a pair of Sevens
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 19,920 | Rake 0
Board: [3c 4c Td 7d 9d]
Seat 1: hack and slash (button) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: Lisavarvara (small blind) showed [7h Ad] and won (19,920) with a pair of Sevens
Seat 3: brandi515 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: sweeper22 showed [Qd As] and lost with Ace Queen high
Seat 5: WiteBoysCanJump folded before the Flop

It happens man... tell me about it all morning this morning...
Youve just got to realise...the beats dont matter...
look at this for example...(this is why im ok with these sorts of beats...)

you play $6.50 6max Turbo SNG's...

1st place is $23.40...

lets say for this example we are going for 1st everytime... as 2nd is just not an option...
3 Buy ins for this SNG is $19.50...
So we can say well i will play 3 games, and If i win 1/3 of my games i will still profit $3.90...
its small, but its a profit... and as the winning players say, its all in the long run...(yeah whatever lol)
but it is, lets say we play 90 of these $6.50 sng's...
We can afford to lose 60 of them and still be in profit of $117 dollars....

my points is.... winning 1/3 sucks but its none the less a profit, and thats why were playing (to make money)
Im okay with my bad beats simply because i know i can stil profit even with them... just have to have a BR to support this...
plus you get better and you learn from your mistakes... for instance dont instant ship AQ UTG with 14BB's left to the BB who has 40BB's, he will call with any A ... so A7 will bust you AQ now and again..

Originally Posted by ImNotSpecial

It happens man... tell me about it all morning this morning...
Youve just got to realise...the beats dont matter...
look at this for example...(this is why im ok with these sorts of beats...)

you play $6.50 6max Turbo SNG's...

1st place is $23.40...

lets say for this example we are going for 1st everytime... as 2nd is just not an option...
3 Buy ins for this SNG is $19.50...
So we can say well i will play 3 games, and If i win 1/3 of my games i will still profit $3.90...
its small, but its a profit... and as the winning players say, its all in the long run...(yeah whatever lol)
but it is, lets say we play 90 of these $6.50 sng's...
We can afford to lose 60 of them and still be in profit of $117 dollars....

my points is.... winning 1/3 sucks but its none the less a profit, and thats why were playing (to make money)
Im okay with my bad beats simply because i know i can stil profit even with them... just have to have a BR to support this...
plus you get better and you learn from your mistakes... for instance dont instant ship AQ UTG with 14BB's left to the BB who has 40BB's, he will call with any A ... so A7 will bust you AQ now and again..

Seems like an awfully positive way of thinking lol. So hopefull that makes me sick. I guess Im a bit addicted to the rage of that kind of badbeats. I just cant control myself when I set a lot of traps, read the guy and still get beating with pure luck.

this was sick, happend 15 minutes ago.. but im over it already lol...
this will just become some gossip down at live poker night on tuesday xD

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG+1 ($179.65)
MP1 ($106.50)
MP2 ($103.85)
MP3 ($74)
Hero (CO) ($94.45)
Button ($101.50)
SB ($115.55)
BB ($267.05)
UTG ($181.05)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K, K
2 folds, MP1 bets $3.50, 2 folds, Hero raises to $12, 3 folds, MP1 calls $8.50

Flop: ($25.50) 9, 6, Q (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets $21, MP1 raises to $94.50 (All-In), Hero calls $61.45 (All-In)

Turn: ($190.40) Q (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($190.40) A (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $190.40 | Rake: $3

Results:
MP1 had Q, A (full house, Queens over Aces).
Hero had K, K (two pair, Kings and Queens).
Outcome: MP1 won $187.40

ridiculous....but IMO the odds are skewed to keep the average joe winning...

Originally Posted by sweeper22

ridiculous....but IMO the odds are skewed to keep the average joe winning...

So maybe we should become the average joe and win? hmmmmmm

Originally Posted by Steve Ruddock

I'm not a conspiracy theorist but honestly it wouldn't take much to skew the odds (I wrote an in-depth piece about this on my blog) and I'm sure there are some sites that fiddle with their code.

The goal of any online poker site is simply to keep every player at a table for as long as possible, and the best way to do that is to make everyone as close to break even as possible.

It wouldn't be hard for a site to randomly (say 25% of the time) remove a single card from the deck in an all-in situation. So if you have AA vs. TT they simply remove ONE Ace from the deck. What would make it even harder to spot are the times you get your money in with the under-pair and benefit from this.

The lower the limit the more they could skew the odds since databases are not as large and the player pools are so much bigger with huge turnovers. So in low limit games maybe they remove one of your cards 100% of the time.

This would pull everyone closer to break-even without affecting your win-rate all that much.

Here is what I wrote on my blog, a similar way to affect the hand by removing random cards:

"Here’s a real world example of what I mean: Suppose a player gets it all-in with one card to come, and has 2 outs. Normally they have about a 4.5% chance of winning, but removing two cards boosts their winning potential to around 4.75%. See how it would work?

Now suppose you get it in good 75% of the time, you would only be losing roughly .18% equity per hand when you get it all-in on the turn. Do you think you would be able to spot this lost equity? So in our example above instead of winning 95.5% of the time you would only win 95.25% of the time. So over the course of 100,000 hands your opponent would win 1,049 times instead of 1,047 times!"

It's pretty meaningless to an individual player, but the site would benefit dramatically in added rake over the long-run.

Steve you have played many more hands than I have. A trend that I notice at low limits is a high frequency of AA vs KK. What are the odds of this happening within a 9handed ring game? Ans what is the frequency that you have seen this happen?