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Old 07-26-2006, 11:28 AM
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well today on stars i got all in preflop with QQ against 3 6 the 1st hand of a sng and i lost

on the 1st hand of the next sng i got all in on the flop of T 6 3 rainbow

I had QQ and lost to QT

i lost TT vs 99

now im playing ring games and i continue to flop the nuts and lose
im even buying in short

stars sucks
The players have just changed. I posted a link to my old PokerHand.org archive and there are about 20-25 hands from Stars on there when I was playing the $50-$200 games regularly and there's NO way I could get away with that shit in those games today. That's why they're funny.

The average poker player is getting smarter and the better players have to stay ahead of the curve and think a bit more street by street. These beats have always happened, but you get it all back and more when you would push PF with AQ and get called by Q9s and shit like that.
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The players have just changed. I posted a link to my old PokerHand.org archive and there are about 20-25 hands from Stars on there when I was playing the $50-$200 games regularly and there's NO way I could get away with that shit in those games today. That's why they're funny.

The average poker player is getting smarter and the better players have to stay ahead of the curve and think a bit more street by street. These beats have always happened, but you get it all back and more when you would push PF with AQ and get called by Q9s and shit like that.
yea

i dont really mean stars sucks, i swithed over from party to stars and i love it.

my only complaint is i have to wait a little longer to get 4 sngs going, otherwise im happy with playing on stars.
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yea

i dont really mean stars sucks, i swithed over from party to stars and i love it.

my only complaint is i have to wait a little longer to get 4 sngs going, otherwise im happy with playing on stars.
Party cash games kill Stars cash games. There are at least 2 or 3 suckers on every table from $5 to $1k and when they go broke, there's another on the waitlist to take their place.

EDIT: Of course as I type this, I've lost my connection to Party's shitty server. you'd think with that rake it's be better. What a joke. The price I pay for fishies.
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Old 07-26-2006, 12:31 PM
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Stars and Party are pretty fishy than most but thats about the only difference. This is also due to their large player base just keep playing and they'll pay you off in the long run.
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id like to agree


but i have a buddy who has taught me pretty much all i know in poker


hes won 10k in 2 years playing on stars...regular guy just like me, just plays solid poker, ive seen him lay down tptk many of time...almost quit his 70k a year job to play poker full time
10k in 2 years and almost quit his 70k job......He could live on 5k a year and if he played double 10k a year.........talk some sense into your friend
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IT= shit and I always have shit.

manguy,
The penny game was more entertaining last time because everyone was yelling at Steve and I for being donkies and the whole exchange between us and the donks were priceless. Today was a bit more PG. We need to kick it up a notch next time. Those guys weren't very chatty.

But I don't fault you for bringing this up, though I vehemently disagree with the claims. There are flaws in the "rigged" argument when you point the finger at one site like PokerStars.

1.) It is 12:20AM on an early Tuesday morning and there are almost 49k people sitting at tables at this horrid time, so you're gonna hear more horror stories in quantity about Stars and Party as opposed to UB (estimated 6k right now) and Tribeca (estimate about 4-5k right now). This is a faulty sample when comparing sites and I've seen numbers that come out "correctly."

2.) Paul Magriel had a good statement on ESPN after busting out of the '05 USPC when his QQ lost to A9 that people think they're such a huge favorite when it's only 70/30.

To prove the 70/30 theorem would require such a monstrous sample when you're dealing with a deck that only holds 52 cards. The difference between 70 and 30 in frequencies are not so large as to have a small margin of error. I've always used the argument with baseball. Great hitters always seem to get base hits, but they do it at the same frequency as Ax beats pairs between A and x. The same goes for flushes and straights hitting on the turn and river.

3.) People have the odds to draw so they don't fold. Because of this, it looks like they keep winning. Throw in when they have an overcard or two with their draw and you're talking about near coin flips.

4.) Going back to Ax, bad players don't fold Ax, so the luck factor raises online because the traffic is so high that you're gonna encounter more bad players raising your variance. The counter to this is a bankroll and multi-tabling giving you the max. sample to find results.

5.) This comes back to the human factor. Even good players steam which raises the variance every time a bad player makes a bad call and hits which goes back to traffic.

Your post doesn't seem ignorant and retarded and your questions have merit. These are just why I disspell these questions a lot. People think it's because I've been "lucky," but it's not. These are all valid arguments independent of my personal experiences and history of online poker. I don't take online poker very serious at times, but not for the "rigged" reasons. I have other issues which I might write an article on this week. I like it, but I have my issues with it and how sites run their houses.

EDIT: Minor clarifications.

I agree w/ you.........plus many people don't know odds..........Eariler today I was playing a Tourament for like 20 bucks. I hd K Q of spades in BB........Flop Came 10s Jd 4s......Some guy bets 1/2 pot, I re raise he goes all in w/ AJ.......I call due to pot committed plus I was huge stack......I hit a king on turn and this guy flipped out so bad, saying it was worst play ever.....I was like people really need to know how to play before they talk.
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Old 08-01-2006, 08:48 AM
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I've not played on stars before, but by looking at all the bad beats people have had on there you do begin to wonder.

I have always been one to shout "It is rigged!" when I lose a hand, but never actually believe it, but after reading about the amount of people who have had their 4oak's and fullhouses out done it does seem a bit strange.
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Old 08-01-2006, 11:11 AM
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I've just played on pokerstars today, for the first time in a while as I normally play on paradise or party.

It was only a freeroll tourney but I got killed in 2 hands by unbelievable bad beats.

First I got pocket aces, bet big pre-flop, jack 2 10 came out, all different suits, pushed all in, got called by jack 8 off. 8 came on the river and killed me.

Next hand got Ace jack of spades, raised all in with the remaining stack I had, got called by King Queen off. Two spades on the flop, followed by Queen Queen on the turn and river.

I don't ever want to go on pokerstars again after that.

I've only been playing for a few months so I'd be grateful if some more experienced players could tell me if I'm correct in thinking I've been very unlucky, or have I not played these hands as well as I could have?

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Old 08-01-2006, 12:29 PM
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i play nothing but pokerstars. i've tried the other sites. for the most part i've been on both sides of the bad beats so i figure it equals its self out in the end. i don't think it's rigged. but hey i'm still pretty new to all of it (the fish even!) so whatta i know maybe it's just alittle bad luck.
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with the stars is rigged thing i think people just do what i do hit a bad beat get a bit pissed and cos everyone else says it go and scream about it following like sheep
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