Table Image

Blur86 · #1 (**permalink**) 12-16-2005, 05:51 AM

I wanted to test Harrington's thoughts on table image, so I did this...

Note:I had 10 bucks to screw around with, and didn't care if I lost it, I was just having fun.

I waited until I felt someone was bluffing for sure so I could overbet the pot and make the other players think of me as a lunatic/donkey(which may be accurate) at minimal risk, so I could over bet the pot the next time I flopped a monster.

PokerStars Game #3348511187: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2005/12/16 - 09:16:54 (ET)
Table 'Scutum II' Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: pepper0782 ($11.75 in chips)
Seat 2: Blur86 ($10.20 in chips)
Seat 3: HunglikeaBug ($5.80 in chips)
Seat 4: geiru ($9.70 in chips)
Seat 5: Raymondsss ($10.85 in chips)
Seat 6: pimpinpope ($22.85 in chips)
Seat 7: Puff_it ($1.25 in chips)
Seat 8: Canadian JT ($5.35 in chips)
Seat 9: jerro ($10.15 in chips)
Canadian JT: posts small blind $0.05
jerro: posts big blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Blur86 [8h 8s]
pepper0782: folds
Blur86: calls $0.10
HunglikeaBug: folds
geiru: folds
Raymondsss: folds
pimpinpope: folds
Puff_it: folds
Canadian JT: calls $0.05
jerro: checks
*** FLOP *** [5c 9h Js]
Canadian JT: checks
jerro: checks
Blur86: bets $0.20
Canadian JT: folds
jerro: raises $0.50 to $0.70
Blur86: calls $0.50
*** TURN *** [5c 9h Js] [4c]
jerro: bets $0.50
Blur86: raises $0.50 to $1
jerro: calls $0.50
*** RIVER *** [5c 9h Js 4c] [2c]
jerro: bets $1.90
Blur86: raises $6.50 to $8.40 and is all-in
jerro: folds
Blur86 collected $7.15 from pot
Blur86: shows [8h 8s] (a pair of Eights)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $7.50 | Rake $0.35
Board [5c 9h Js 4c 2c]
Seat 1: pepper0782 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Blur86 collected ($7.15)
Seat 3: HunglikeaBug folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: geiru folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Raymondsss folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: pimpinpope folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Puff_it (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Canadian JT (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 9: jerro (big blind) folded on the River

So, I waited a little while and I got a pocket pair, 8s again.

PokerStars Game #3348566982: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2005/12/16 - 09:34:10 (ET)
Table 'Scutum II' Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: pepper0782 ($11.95 in chips)
Seat 2: Blur86 ($13.45 in chips)
Seat 3: HunglikeaBug ($4.60 in chips)
Seat 4: geiru ($8.25 in chips)
Seat 5: Raymondsss ($10.70 in chips)
Seat 6: pimpinpope ($23.90 in chips)
Seat 7: Puff_it ($1.30 in chips)
Seat 8: Canadian JT ($10.25 in chips)
Seat 9: Khavotar ($9.90 in chips)
geiru: posts small blind $0.05
Raymondsss: posts big blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Blur86 [8h 8s]
pimpinpope: calls $0.10
Puff_it: folds
Canadian JT: folds
Khavotar: folds
pepper0782: folds
Blur86: calls $0.10
HunglikeaBug: calls $0.10
geiru: calls $0.05
Raymondsss: checks
*** FLOP *** [8c 3s Ah]
geiru: checks
Raymondsss: checks
pimpinpope: bets $0.30
Blur86: calls $0.30
HunglikeaBug: folds
geiru: folds
Raymondsss: folds
*** TURN *** [8c 3s Ah] [Tc]
pimpinpope: checks
Blur86: bets $0.60
pimpinpope: calls $0.60
*** RIVER *** [8c 3s Ah Tc] [6d]
pimpinpope: checks
Blur86: bets $12.45 and is all-in
pimpinpope: calls $12.45
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Blur86: shows [8h 8s] (three of a kind, Eights)
pimpinpope: mucks hand
Blur86 collected $25.85 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $27.20 | Rake $1.35
Board [8c 3s Ah Tc 6d]
Seat 1: pepper0782 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Blur86 showed [8h 8s] and won ($25.85) with three of a kind, Eights
Seat 3: HunglikeaBug (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: geiru (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: Raymondsss (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: pimpinpope mucked [Ad Th]
Seat 7: Puff_it folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Canadian JT folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Khavotar folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Jiffman · #2 (**permalink**) 12-16-2005, 06:08 AM

Hehehe!! Hunglikeabug!! The names some people come up with!

WotaWaster · #3 (**permalink**) 12-16-2005, 06:10 AM

Table image at .05/.10 tables? I think a lot of players at .25/.50 and even higher would call all ins with 2 pair to be honest.

It may have been in the back of his mind that you bluffed but I don't really think advertisig is worth it at that low level, im sure your initial bluff would have been called if he had even top pair top kicker.

Marm · #4 (**permalink**) 12-16-2005, 07:16 AM

these hands have nothing to do image, just what they had.

nice pots though

Jiffman · #5 (**permalink**) 12-16-2005, 07:26 AM

I think table image only really counts at higher levels, or in big tourneys after all the fish have been knocked out...people have the telly on, the kids screaming, the missus whining, plus they're surfing ebay, looking at porn, downloading music, etc...so clever plays go completely unnoticed, bluffs will be called whatever your image.

I really notice it in things like $5 SNGs...you can sit there until level 4 or 5 folding every single hand, then you make a massive raise, or even go all-in, and half the table calls you with all sorts of marginal crap.

Anyone who had paid the slightest bit of attention to the preceding play would not call with a marginal hand against a player who folded every hand until level four and was now suddenly coming in for a massive raise!!

Blur86 · #6 (**permalink**) 12-16-2005, 07:40 AM

thanks for ruining it

gder03 · #7 (**permalink**) 12-16-2005, 01:24 PM

it was never good to begin with.

gder03 · #8 (**permalink**) 12-16-2005, 01:25 PM

just kidding.

WotaWaster · #9 (**permalink**) 12-16-2005, 02:26 PM

Jiffman,

That is not necessarily true. If someone didnt enter a pot until towards the end of the second level I would probably give them respect. If someone didn't play a hand for 4 levels and then started raising it up, I would think, he is probably waiting until the blinds go up, so he can try and steal them trading on his tight image.

Jiffman · #10 (**permalink**) 12-17-2005, 03:55 PM

Okay....well you have really made me think...

I've always thought most players would say 'he hasn't played a hand for ages then he comes in for a big raise he must have a good hand' but of course the good ones are also going to think 'well he's just stealing on his tight image cos the blinds are getting high'....and the only players who will paid enough attention to notice that you've folded every hand are the good ones...so....

......Hmmmmm!