Just adding tio Steves post

In many respects Steve is right.. I will often move up to $1/$2 NL and even $2/$4 ... just for fun... then the tables come right down.

The thing is that at this level you're likely to be facing a win rate of 2-3BB/100. Whereas at 0.25/0.5 you're up to 7/8bb/100 AND you get a constant choice of tables AND you can play robot poker with 8 tables open - I'm moving up to 10 soon.

Win rate is then 7*8*0.5*2 = $56 per time period

as opposed to

4*3*2*2 = $48 per time period

Not much apparent difference BUT when you combine this with bonus action -when you need hands played as a major factor AND you have less problem with table selection - then grinding is more effective.

Certainly in NL good hands don't come along that often and when they do they almost play themselves - Whereas I get the impression that Limit is far more 'interactive'. Even with 8 table open I will only be playing a major hand every 5 minutes or so....

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well I'm glad others agree with me. But something I would like to expand on is the gratification part. It's not always about win rate and variance. If you don't enjoy what you are doing than you will never become truely great at it and you will also, eventually, tire of it.

To the person who says you need to play a 10K buy in game to make up for not multi-tabling. Unless you are playing 10 - 1K games this is incorrect.

most people here do not play above 2/4 NL games, so a good win rate as deme said is about $50 per 100 hands. I can make this playing 1 - 10/20 Omaha 8 or 10/20 hold em game. and if I'm playing live i can make this playing 4/8! the reason is because of the extra attention I can give the game.

Poker is not boring, it's boring if you don't care to watch other players or pay attention. When i play live I am completely engrossed in the game and my brain is clicking on all cylinders. the way people move there hands, the way they glance at others, the way they stack their chips, voice changes, twitches, and on and on HOW CAN YOU GET BORED!

Gratification is knowing exactly what someone has before their hand is turned over

Gratification is making a succesful bluff

Gratification is seeing a player put his cards out like he always does when he is going to fold pre-flop, but when noone enters the pot watching him steal the blinds. If he tries that against me he's getting raised.

Gratification is NOT having 2 idiots call your all in every time you have AA. it's nice but it is not gratifying.

This is what poker is about

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I don't mind the single tabling, but not online. I really prefer to play LIVE for single tabling hehe. Much more fun to put fancy move in real life !

Oh and I need money hehe. Multitabling work on low-stake.

Anyway, everyone do whatever is best for him/her.

Well Steve-O, I had this dilemma when I first started. It really comes down to, do you want to make money or get good? If you nut peddle, your almost guaranteed to break even or make a good sum of money. If you "play the player" or "play position" or whatver, there is a good chance the beginner player will screw up.


Maybe for a skilled player who has knowledge of every aspect of the game, single tabling higher limits is best. But for people who only understand the basics and some intermediate stuff, nut peddling is where its at.


An interesting point is, if you make 50$/hr 1 tabling 5/10, and I make 60$/hr 16 tabling 1/2, who is the better player? Whoever wins the most money right..?

One thing is that I think it is possible to grind up to 0.5/1 NL. You just have to work constantly on table selection.

Goose I don't know if you dothe cryptos or B2B but you'll find the games at these limits are sometimes almost of 'penny standard'....

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Sgt. Bilko:" not the way I play it"

I agree that anything above 8 tables is a "grind" situation for me. The busiest I usually get it 3 hands at a time, and that I can handle what action has been taken, etc. I play 2/4 and 3/6, so there are not too many tricky plays that I need to do and still make $70/hr. When I moved into 2/4 and 3/6 I just started with 2 tables of higher limit and 6 tables of lower limit, then moved to 4 tables of each, then all 8 high, and then 12 of high.

Although I do think when I move to 5/10 6max I will probably just start out with 4 tables of 5/10 or like 4 of 3/6 and 2 of 5/10.

It is definately better to play less tables when moving up limits.

Considering it probably wouldn't be possible, or allowed, You really can't multi live.

But, When I played yesterday, we were talking about trying that. setting up 3 tables close enough so that one person could rotate between them, bobby fisher (and other chess masters) style.

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goose58 do you play 16 table? WOW! 4 screens?

lol I meant if I am playing online I will multitable. If I ever want to play single I will do it live.

Multitabling in real life would be a freaking big pain in the ass!

I'm pretty sure he was joking about that.

But I would like to be proved wrong. One of my friends played 20 tables of .5/1 limit on 1 screen for a few hours. He finished with a >4BB/100 winrate. I want to think that that is the most that anyone has ever done at once.

Didn't one pro play 2 WSOP events at the same time? One was a form of omaha I think and his tables were adjacent eachother so he just turned around a lot and I think he won one and got second in another. (I know he made good finishes in both)

There a video on 2+2 of a guy 20 tabling. The video is laggy though.

the guy name is mentor.