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Old 05-10-2005, 02:32 PM
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Here's my finish in the last 10+1 I played in this afternoon.

PokerStars Tournament #7715065, No Limit Hold'em
Buy-In: $10.00/$1.00
721 players
Total Prize Pool: $7210.00
Tournament started - 2005/05/10 - 14:45:00 (ET)

Dear DaWiLdOnE,

You finished the tournament in 48th place.
A $18.02 award has been credited to your Real Money account.

You earned 77.93 tournament leader points in this tournament.

Problem is I called a guy going all in pF with 99 - A really loose player, and blinds were going up I was under average, and I called with AKo. Needless to say I'm out and he's in. gg.

I was kinda frustrated that I was out, but really I read him to have TT or under, so I called - my reasoning at this stage of the game and finishing 48th, should I have called his all in putting him on a PP?

Help me out guys! I wish I could display my PT stats but they haven't laoded yet.
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I found the hand history at least for now...

PokerStars Game #1672779709: Tournament #7715065, Hold'em No Limit - Level XIII (1500/3000) - 2005/05/10 - 16:57:33 (ET)
Table '7715065 5' Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: A's Brand (32006 in chips)
Seat 2: Dif1 (25666 in chips)
Seat 3: FoolishStone (10735 in chips)
Seat 4: big-os (24256 in chips)
Seat 5: DaWiLdOnE (19252 in chips)
Seat 6: Claude 666 (18100 in chips)
Seat 7: jeep 8 (10580 in chips)
Seat 9: UGAPoker (6874 in chips)
A's Brand: posts the ante 150
Dif1: posts the ante 150
FoolishStone: posts the ante 150
big-os: posts the ante 150
DaWiLdOnE: posts the ante 150
Claude 666: posts the ante 150
jeep 8: posts the ante 150
UGAPoker: posts the ante 150
big-os: posts small blind 1500
DaWiLdOnE: posts big blind 3000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to DaWiLdOnE [Kh As]
Claude 666: folds
jeep 8: folds
UGAPoker: raises 3724 to 6724 and is all-in
A's Brand: folds
Dif1: raises 18792 to 25516 and is all-in
FoolishStone: folds
big-os: folds
DaWiLdOnE: calls 16102 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [Qd Tc 3c]
*** TURN *** [Qd Tc 3c] [Ts]
*** RIVER *** [Qd Tc 3c Ts] [3h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
DaWiLdOnE: shows [Kh As] (two pair, Tens and Threes)
Dif1: shows [9d 9h] (two pair, Tens and Nines)
DaWiLdOnE said, "lol"
Dif1 collected 24756 from side pot
UGAPoker: shows [Ac Js] (two pair, Tens and Threes)
DaWiLdOnE said, "nh"
Dif1 said, "ohhh"
Dif1 collected 22872 from main pot
Dif1 said, "ty"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 47628 Main pot 22872. Side pot 24756. | Rake 0
Board [Qd Tc 3c Ts 3h]
Seat 1: A's Brand folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Dif1 showed [9d 9h] and won (47628) with two pair, Tens and Nines
Seat 3: FoolishStone (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: big-os (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: DaWiLdOnE (big blind) showed [Kh As] and lost with two pair, Tens and Threes
Seat 6: Claude 666 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: jeep 8 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: UGAPoker showed [Ac Js] and lost with two pair, Tens and Threes
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I just noticed that I put this in the wrong section...LoL...I was watchin Pride FC, and playing in 2 of these while writing this...
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Easy fold there I think with two all-in ahead of you. You're pretty shortstacked, but you wil have just hit the blinds, meaning you've got at least 8 chances for a better pushing hand. I'm not really criticizing you because I probably wouldn't have thought about it and done the same thing. The real problem is that you have to put at least one of them on a pair, and you can guess the other guy will have some of your outs.
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I have to disagree with announced tilt here. I would almost never fold AK to an all in when I'm shortstacked.

the shortstack doesn't matter here, the side pot with the other player is the meat and potatoes

You will almost never be dominated, you always have a good chance at the pot unless your opponent has AA or KK and even KK isn't horrible
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Steve, sorry but I disagree. You are correct that you are not going to be dominated. The problem is that you are making the call KNOWING that you are behind. You not only have to take out the guy you know has the PP, but the other guy as well. He is shortstacked, but he would have just hit the blinds. He has a number of hands that can provide him a better opportunity. Any pair he gets he can push, or if he is the first to raise with an AK or AQ. Calling with AKo is rarely a good move, and especially not in this situation. He has very minimal straight possibilities and almost no flush potential. He is calling knowing that he is already behind and there is a chance that he could be down to as few as 3 outs.
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That's what I figured, I busted out 4 others with AKs/o PF. I put him on a PP no higher than 88 - He called with 33, 55, and QQ earlier in the touney. I pushed cause I needed to double up, I was quickly noticing unless I was stealing blinds occasionally that I wasn't going to be long for this tourney if I didn't call him.

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say 55/45 dog 80% of the time and a 75/25 favorite 20% when he has AQ and such (he said he was loose) even if you KNOW he has a pair simple call

16K to win 24K+ to be up to 40K with those odds, and you would fold?
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Yes, I think this warrants a fold. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'd like to see some others' inputs on this hand.
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With less than 7 BB's, you have to go all in with AK here. Maybe, and I stress maybe, I fold here at a final table to get a possible bump, but I'd have to put a basic "retard" read on one of the two players having AX or maybe KQ and the other on a pair. The first guy to go all in could have anything, but the second guy DEFINITELY doesn't have Aces or Kings.

Most of the time, you're not dying here because of the side pot and that raise screams pair, Queens or lower, AQ, or AJ as this is a clear isloation raise and with this short stack, actually I'm definitely not folding at a final table with 7BB's. This is a good shot to win.

In your case, you have to call. You're nowhere near the end yet and a fold won't bump your winnings up enough to justify a fold at all. I have folded this situation in SnG's with 3 or 4 left because the amount of chips in play in relation to my stack isn't that high and I can still compete and Get a take.

You don't have enough to compete here if you fold and you have a great all in PF hand in your situation. You're looking to get back in the game. I like the call.
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