I screamed, "NO!" when I saw this flop after folding PF. I have UTG with a VPIP of 17% after 500+ hands with him, so there was no way I was calling PF.

"Whew!" is what i said when I saw that river card.

Ultimate Bet 30/60 Hold'em (5 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with , .
UTG raises, 1 fold, Button 3-bets, 2 folds, UTG caps, Button calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) , , (2 players)
UTG bets, Button calls.

Turn: (5.75 BB) (2 players)
UTG bets, Button calls.

River: (7.75 BB) (2 players)
UTG bets, Button raises, UTG 3-bets, Button caps, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 15.75 BB

Results in white below:
UTG has Kc Kd (straight, ace high).
Button has Ks 9h (straight, ace high).
Outcome: UTG wins 7.87 BB. Button wins 7.87 BB.

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Button 3-bet an UTG raiser with K9o on a 30/60 table and bring that hand to the river with that board??? well... he had 7 outs in his mind maybe...

Is that usual?

KJ

There's no entrance exam to play on a 30/60 table.

The guy on the button was a retard. He lost about $1k in a little more than an hour. That's right 17+ bets in a little over an hour. I was actually surprised that he didn't raise the Ace. He didn't play it this way to bluff a tight player in a later round of betting. He was on an inside straight/King draw. Maybe he thought his 9 was good too. I only had 50-59 hands of data on him going into the hand.

Players like this are players that I don't wanna oil my body much to squeeze into his little head. They're just bad players. ABC robotic poker approach. There are a lot of horrible mid-limit players, even online. The 30/60 game online used to be tough, I'd think because I remember when they were the highest limits you could play online on Stars, Party, and UB. I didn't play them then. The only limit I was playing online at that time was 5/10 and then I didn't play limit online for a while.

EDIT:
I'd lurk around in those games periodically and would see some bad play, but not nearly as much as I see now. That's why I like it now and it's a good way to make some $$$ while I go on this big bet poker hiatus. I've lurked the 100/200 and up games when well known pros are there and I get curious for 15 minutes or so. Bad players are everywhere. Think of it this way, the pros in the big games at Bellagio are getting their money from somewhere, aren't they?

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I have to admit I never watch 30/60 games for a reasonable period of time...
I play 2/4, 3/6 and sometime 5/10 simply cuz I'm usd to it...

True that i cant see any difference in the level of play. I'll try to look at it closely...

How much should I keep in my bankroll to play those limit with a good level of confort? 6000$...?

Never keep over 2000$...

KJ

The 5/10 games online aren't much different from the 30/60 games. The biggest difference is that there are more 5/10 tables on any given site to choose from, making it softer.

I play 3/6 online for a long time. I started playing it when I was over $2500. If you have a roll that you build little by little through a piece of your biweekly paycheck, you're fine with $2k (300 bets) depending on how much you can afford to build with. You're making a long term investment with this, of course, so make that number a comfortable number, as well.

I'm a bit over $75k in my gambling roll and I like extreme comfort. I'm very tempted to start playing the 50/100 game at Harrah's which I eyeball from time to time, but I wanna have $100k before I do so. I'm making more than enough through the games I play now for a 22yo. single male student with a regular job-type job. I'm paying my tuition and rent through gambling, so I'm not really looking to build a roll. It's so active because I do so much sports betting and then of course, just from living on it.

I'm not quitting my job anytime soon either. The fringe benefits of free drinking, free bowling, health insurance, 401k, great connections in the bar industry in general, great people, ownership that treats me like a son, good pay, and just the enjoyment of the job itself is very stress relieving being a full time student and gambler. I get a lot of schoolwork done there and did I mention the people I meet? We always having a sporting event on and late nights, Sportscenter is on, so I can still keep track of the goings on here and there.

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sounds good...

But I meant to play 30/60 not 3/6, 4/8 or 5/10.

considering your answer, I should build a 15 to 20K bankroll before switching to 30/60.

That means having a job for a few months a everything...!??!?!

KJ