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Old 04-04-2005, 11:40 PM
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25/50 SHOE at Harrah's (25/50 Stud, 5/10 NLHE and PLO with a 1k max., and Stud 8) I bought in for $1,500 and was up to about $1,800. I had just lost about $500 in a big pot with Kings in NLHE and mucked face up on the turn. I raised to $30 PF and got re-raised to $100 by a pretty strong player who I've mentioned before that I call Yoon. Tight, but very aggressive with position and he was in the CO. I called.

Flop: Q J 9

I bet out for $250. He calls.

Turn: J

I check. Yoon bets $250. Hmmm.... I folded my Kings face up and he raked the pot. The only hands that I see him re-raising me like that PF and calls that bet on the flop are QQ and AA, I felt. That weak bet confirmed it for me. WRONG!!!! He said, "Ooooh." and shows an Ace. He had Aces. If he had AK, he'd show both to peeve me, not just one. Whatever. I was still steaming a bit.

Next hand put us in the PLO orbit and I'm UTG with . I bet the pot for $35 and get three callers including Yoon left of the CO and the BB.

Flop:

What a flop! I wasn't gonna mess around here, so I bet out for $100. Fold. Yoon raises to $250. BB folds. There's almost $500 in the pot and it's only $150 to me, so I have to call.

Turn: Blank

I check and Yoon bets $250 AGAIN!!! Hmmm.... $750 in the pot. He can't have trip Aces or Jacks, maybe 9's, so I have 10-17 outs. Is my flush draw alive? I wanna think with the flush draw or trip nines, Yoon re-raises the pot on the flop, so I pushed it in for the max. raise to $715. Yoon says, "Do you have nines, Alex? You hate pairs... Call."

He flips over

We start laughing and someone says, "Hey. It's not over yet. i don't know what you guys are giggling about." The best words that I could hear.

River:

What was that? That's right the .

Straight Flush to the King. I really like the way that Yoon played the flop, but reacting to me, I think he's gotta push the turn with the nut flush draw or at least to represent the nut flush draw or trip 9's.

Really great guy and the player that I hate to tangle with the most of all of the people that I play consistently. If this PLO hand doesn't happen, I'm probably posting the first hand in the River Rats Forum and saying how I dumped $1k in the PLO orbit on tilt.
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Old 04-05-2005, 06:52 AM
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What was the final pot ?
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Old 04-05-2005, 08:49 AM
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Total pot was about $2,100. There was a $1k cap on what one player can invest in the pot because it was a mixed game. It's a 7 handed game and there are never more than 5 or 6 on the waiting list at its peak. People going broke kill the game.
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Man, you know he had you beaten on the flop and the turn. Either trip aces with the flush or top two with the flush.

But his bets are pricing you in. If he would have done a full raise on the flop it would be a tough call unless you only had him on a set.

But with those small raises and 8 outs - two of which you know will destroy him - you can't fold.

I dont like youe push on the turn though. You have to figure he had the nut flush draw and some kind of made hand. If guys that good are pricing in calls it is usually because they want calls.

Oh WTF do I know I have never played anyone that good, that was just my impression reading it, even before I saw his hand.
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Old 04-05-2005, 11:01 AM
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I felt good about no trip Aces or Jacks on the flop because I had an Ace and a Jack. We're 7 handed, so it's like having all of the Aces or Jacks dead going into the flop in full ring. If he re-raises the pot on the flop, I'd probably have put him on trip 9's and he would bet the pot with trip 9's and no flush draw, so it would've been a guessing game.

If he has trip 9's and no flush draw, I have 18 outs. If he has a flush draw with the trip 9's, I have 12 outs. Honestly on the flop, I put him on QJTX (X=A, T, or 8) or T98X (X= T, 8, Q, or 6). With a 4 connectors in the hole, he re-raises me for the pot PF, especially with T987. T998, he's DEFINITELY potting the flop to save himself from trouble if he hits a straight with a spade.

The price so nice to call that trip 9's an no flush draw was a high possibility in my head, so I've still got 18 outs and folding equity, but not enough to raise. $250 again, I was for damn sure that he only had a flush draw or a straight draw with a pair of Aces. I made the re-raise because I thought I had the best hand in the moment and wanted to kill his draw.

If he doesn't have the Ace of spades and he does have a King hi flush draw, I've killed 4 of his outs. (The A gives me a boat, the 8 gives me a straight flush, and I have the Q and the T.) If he has something like:

tX 9X

I have the best hand and he has 11 outs to win because, remember the fills me up and If he has:

99TJ or T998,

I have about 17 outs and less folding equity as he'd have to believe me for AA or JJ and was waiting for the turn to pounce. This wasn't my thought as he didn't pounce with those draws and third set.
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Old 04-05-2005, 11:05 AM
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If anyone's wondering why I potted this hand PF, it was because I wanted to narrow the field and in mixed games, people generally are very tight regardless of their position the first hand in the game orbit. UTG works well to knock out medium pairs and lower 3 card connectors, so if I hit a flop like A-T-7 or even Q-T-7, I can feel more comfortable.
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My immediate feeling was that the small size of his bets he was trying to induce a call, not protect against the flush draw, thus he had the nut flush draw.

Did you see his raise as a free card play and his turn bet as a blocking bet then?
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I said what I thought. I thought that this is what he was thinking on the flop after he bet the turn:

I'll test Alex with a relatively small raise. He didn't re-raise. If he misses, he'll check and I can take it down with almost any bet with my str8 draw.

I really did feel that I had the best hand and at the worst for me he had A9XX with a a couple of spades drawing to the nut flush. Basically, I felt that I wasn't beat, if that makes sense. I didn't think we had the same hand. I actually did have the best hand with 8 outs to win against his 5 outs to win.

I didn't like his call at the time as I might play AAXX this same way UTG to trap him. I think he was thinking the same way as me. In reality, as opposed to what I thought during the hand, I think that Yoon thought that:

he had the best hand and when I moved in, I was on nothing but a draw, possibly a 4 card wrap in the hole with a flush draw and didn't pump the flop because of a low flush draw. with a J and a T or even with JT9, one of those being spades makes a lot of sense from how I played it.

This line of thinking rationalizes his tester bet on the flop and my call as opposed to a raise showed that I had something, but not enough with that board. No trips, but definitely a flush draw and at least a gutshot. I like his turn bet as well because he thinks that I'm on a draw and only have 6 real outs, but I think I have 14.

As many players would, I think he ruled out a straight flush possibility if I have because he felt that he had the best hand. After thinking about it all night and all day so far today, I really do like the way that he played this as i step in his shoes with his cards and my actions, not to mention my steam from the previous hand.

I'll send him an email and try to get him to register here and comment.
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When I say that I didn't like his play at the time showed my fault at the time. He couldn't have trips because I know where 2 Aces and 2 Jacks are, but that was stupid because it's precisely the reasoning that made me feel that I had the best hand, but he should more heavily weigh the possibility of mehaving trips? Ridiculous self-centered poker thought.
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Remember the Omaha saying, if it is possible, it is probable, I hate playing this game short handed because I always convince myself that 2nd nut is good.

Last night I saw a four way chop with a board of AJxxT, four guys had KQxx hands.

I lost a decent pot in a limit tourny on the button with JJT8 and a flop of Q T 9 - we were heads up PF, he couldn't possibly have KJxx, I have two of them.

Fucker had KJJx.

Lost a pot in LHE today at lunch with KK flop Q9x turn T, she couldnt have KJ, I have two Kings, and no idiot would draw to J8.... she had KJ.


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