New trend calling with bottom pair?

OrionPro · #1 (**permalink**) 12-15-2006, 03:33 PM

Why do people keep calling bets with middle or bottom pair. The last few days I've seen that a billion times with all kinds of unreal hands (obv Lee Jones gave them two pair or trips every time on the turn or river)

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

SB (t2260)
Hero (t1490)
UTG (t585)
UTG+1 (t1750)
MP1 (t1505)
MP2 (t4510)
CO (t1420)
Button (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 6

, 7

.
UTG calls t20, UTG+1 calls t20, MP1 raises to t40, 3 folds, SB calls t30, Hero calls t20, UTG calls t20, UTG+1 calls t20.

Flop: (t200) 2

, 6

, 3

(5 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t120, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls t120, MP1 folds, SB folds.

Turn: (t440) 7

(2 players)
Hero bets t200, UTG+1 raises to t400, Hero raises to t1330, UTG+1 calls t930.

River: (t3100) 8

(2 players)

Final Pot: t3100

Results in white below:
Hero has 6h 7h (two pair, sevens and sixes).
UTG+1 has 7c 2h (two pair, sevens and twos).
Outcome: Hero wins t3100.

jharding666 · #2 (**permalink**) 12-15-2006, 05:38 PM

I guess when you play low cards you don't give up easily when u flop a pair which I think is fair enough, as long as you know when to let it go.

Why he was playing 27o from EP is the real question here!!!!

Loz · #3 (**permalink**) 12-15-2006, 08:18 PM

Picking on retards shoudnt be posted in Glory Corner.

Av8tor009 · #4 (**permalink**) 12-15-2006, 08:54 PM

maybe not... but it is entertaining...

the alex · #5 (**permalink**) 12-15-2006, 08:55 PM

Bottom pair pwns when they play like this:

(14:46:03) ThenAlexWasLike:: Full Tilt Poker Game #1403313825: $11,000 Guarantee (9615690), Table 68 - 120/240 Ante 25 - No Limit Hold'em - 15:43:45 ET - 2006/12/13
Seat 1: WitweMacher (9,361)
Seat 2: thin lizzie (4,045)
Seat 3: swattdogg (9,407)
Seat 4: oakman42 (5,635)
Seat 5: Duke1221 (9,610)
Seat 6: beltpa (13,075)
Seat 7: The Alex (3,764)
Seat 8: Cobra3183 (17,608)
Seat 9: TwinkieDaKid (7,795)
WitweMacher antes 25
thin lizzie antes 25
swattdogg antes 25
oakman42 antes 25
beltpa antes 25
The Alex antes 25
Cobra3183 antes 25
TwinkieDaKid antes 25
beltpa posts the small blind of 120
The Alex posts the big blind of 240
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to The Alex [Ks 3c]
Cobra3183 folds
TwinkieDaKid folds
WitweMacher folds
thin lizzie folds
swattdogg folds
oakman42 folds
beltpa calls 120
The Alex checks
*** FLOP *** [3h 4d Ah]
beltpa bets 480
The Alex calls 480
*** TURN *** [3h 4d Ah] [Qd]
beltpa bets 960
The Alex raises to 3,019, and is all in
beltpa calls 2,059
The Alex shows [Ks 3c]
beltpa shows [6d Jd]
*** RIVER *** [3h 4d Ah Qd] [Kh]
The Alex shows two pair, Kings and Threes
beltpa shows Ace King high
The Alex wins the pot (7,678) with two pair, Kings and Threes
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 7,678 | Rake 0
Board: [3h 4d Ah Qd Kh]
Seat 1: WitweMacher folded before the Flop
Seat 2: thin lizzie folded before the Flop
Seat 3: swattdogg folded before the Flop
Seat 4: oakman42 (button) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: Duke1221 is sitting out
Seat 6: beltpa (small blind) showed [6d Jd] and lost with Ace King high
Seat 7: The Alex (big blind) showed [Ks 3c] and won (7,678) with two pair, Kings and Threes
Seat 8: Cobra3183 folded before the Flop
Seat 9: TwinkieDaKid folded before the Flop

(14:46:08) ThenAlexWasLike:: i love my life
(14:46:55) gder01: how do you do taht
(14:47:15) gder01: how come iplay 3 years and can;'t do that
(14:47:45) ThenAlexWasLike:: guy's been takin me out of every pot with air all tournament
(14:48:18) ThenAlexWasLike:: i just said next time i flop a pair, i'm calling the flop and pushing the turn after he commits

Av8tor009 · #6 (**permalink**) 12-15-2006, 09:05 PM

you flopped the nuts obv... standard play..

Loz · #7 (**permalink**) 12-15-2006, 09:11 PM

Had a hand similar to that in the WSOP. Had

on the BB. One limper. Flop came

UTG limper bets 200, I re-raised 1000. Limper called.
Turn came

limper bets 400 I re-raise 2400 UTG calls
River came

I tell UTG to fold his king I have him dominated, he checks, I bet $3600 he calls and shows the king.

What if I was telling the truth? Jerk would of been crippled. Why dont people believe me when I am lieing?

WotaWaster · #8 (**permalink**) 12-16-2006, 04:38 AM

I like calling flop bets with bottom/middle pair vs a preflop raiser in a 2-3 way pot, moreso when in position and on a drawy board.

a) he may have AK and you are ahead anyway
b) he may have AA/KK and you improve to 2 pair/trips and bust him
c) it looks like your drawing so you have a lot of bluff equity if for example flush draw completes

OrionPro · #9 (**permalink**) 12-16-2006, 04:42 AM

wow nice read Alex!

OrionPro · #10 (**permalink**) 12-16-2006, 05:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WotaWaster

I like calling flop bets with bottom/middle pair vs a preflop raiser in a 2-3 way pot, moreso when in position and on a drawy board.

a) he may have AK and you are ahead anyway
b) he may have AA/KK and you improve to 2 pair/trips and bust him
c) it looks like your drawing so you have a lot of bluff equity if for example flush draw completes

the odds of improving are slim. Let's take NL100- you call $10 improve to two pair/trips on turn. Even if you manage to get all-in on the turn the profit wouldn't be more than $80 or so on average, since he always has outs.