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12-08-2006, 08:43 PM
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Mike McDermott
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more 20/180 madness
people must really think im a donkey, but why do they keep trying to bluff me?
another river instacall too, i "thought" on the turn as though i was going to fold.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: ITH Forums)
UTG (t2250)
UTG+1 (t1780)
MP1 (t1440)
MP2 (t2870)
MP3 (t1440)
CO (t1430)
Button (t2910)
Hero (t1660)
BB (t1470)
Preflop: Hero is SB with  ,  .
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t20, 1 fold, MP2 calls t20, 3 folds, Hero raises to t140, 1 fold, UTG+1 folds, MP2 calls t120.
Flop: (t320)  ,  , (2 players)
Hero bets t200, MP2 calls t200.
Turn: (t720) (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets t600, Hero calls t600.
River: (t1920) (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets t1080, Hero calls t720 (All-In).
Final Pot: t3720
Results in white below:
Hero has Ah Kd (one pair, sevens).
MP2 has Qh Ad (one pair, sevens).
Outcome: Hero wins t3360. MP2 wins t360.
Last edited by tightagressive; 12-08-2006 at 08:46 PM.
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12-08-2006, 09:02 PM
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River Rat
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can you explain how you knew he was bluffing? Cause I dont see how you call the turn or the river.
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12-08-2006, 09:32 PM
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Mike McDermott
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Originally Posted by Auto
can you explain how you knew he was bluffing? Cause I dont see how you call the turn or the river.
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if you saw how this guy was playing, and the previous history we had, the question would be more like "how do you NOT know hes bluffing"
i had pushed him out of 3 pots so far with a flop cbet. on the flop, he cant have a pair because he didnt raise preflop, thats just how weak he played. plus, he didnt raise the flop. could he have a 7? maybe, but i got a weird feeling with the way he paused, then called the flop, then instabet the turn as soon as i checked. it was as though he was like "ok, this time, he cant have any-LOOK HE CHECKED THE TURN I BET"
the T was a bad card for me as he could have easaily had like JT or something, but i felt he was bluffing most of the time here.
i honestly think im playing the best MTT poker of my life right now, if thats any consolation. if i could get some cards to hold up i would be taking some stuff down. just had a small score on UB last week, 2nd in a 30r, and thats it. but i know wins are going to start coming in. this call felt so natural for me, as did the others in this forum. its just so obvious when weak players are bluffing. middle stakes mtt players are so noncreative, and so ABC, once you determine who is the ABC and who is the loose idiots, you can build a huge stack just making sensible plays knowing your image and how weak players view you.
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12-08-2006, 10:19 PM
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River Rat
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tightagressive
if you saw how this guy was playing, and the previous history we had, the question would be more like "how do you NOT know hes bluffing"
i had pushed him out of 3 pots so far with a flop cbet. on the flop, he cant have a pair because he didnt raise preflop, thats just how weak he played. plus, he didnt raise the flop. could he have a 7? maybe, but i got a weird feeling with the way he paused, then called the flop, then instabet the turn as soon as i checked. it was as though he was like "ok, this time, he cant have any-LOOK HE CHECKED THE TURN I BET"
the T was a bad card for me as he could have easaily had like JT or something, but i felt he was bluffing most of the time here.
i honestly think im playing the best MTT poker of my life right now, if thats any consolation. if i could get some cards to hold up i would be taking some stuff down. just had a small score on UB last week, 2nd in a 30r, and thats it. but i know wins are going to start coming in. this call felt so natural for me, as did the others in this forum. its just so obvious when weak players are bluffing. middle stakes mtt players are so noncreative, and so ABC, once you determine who is the ABC and who is the loose idiots, you can build a huge stack just making sensible plays knowing your image and how weak players view you.
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Ok that makes more sence from your explaination but if you knew he was bluffing after he instabet on the turn wouldnt it make more sence to shove in on the turn? You obv think your ahead here right so why let he him get lucky with a river card. You would have been pretty pissed if he actually had J10.
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12-08-2006, 10:29 PM
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Mike McDermott
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Auto
Ok that makes more sence from your explaination but if you knew he was bluffing after he instabet on the turn wouldnt it make more sence to shove in on the turn? You obv think your ahead here right so why let he him get lucky with a river card. You would have been pretty pissed if he actually had J10.
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i want him to bluff the river
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12-08-2006, 10:48 PM
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River Rat
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tightagressive
i want him to bluff the river
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I guess. My thinking though is if you can take a 3000 (150 BB) pot down without a showdown its worth avoiding the 10% chance you get sucked out on the river. Your pretty much putting your tourny life on the line for a extra 35BB.
In this hand he had only a 7% chance of winning, but a 13% chance of a split. So 1 in 5 times you are going to end up with less money then if you take it down on the turn.
But anyway, this is really beside the point. You made a great read, very nice hand.
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12-08-2006, 11:55 PM
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Poker Professional
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man, i dont care what ppl say here.. that was a world-class call down... you obviously had a read on this guy and u went with it.. kudos to that.. you had a read and u had the balls to go thru with it, so nh... in the end poker is all about trusting ur instincts and going with ur reads.
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