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09-03-2006, 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by trippedupA-Town
btw disregaurd triple t's advice, he clearly isnt a limit player.
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You know this for sure? YOU clearly are not a limit player as evidenced by your posts...
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Originally Posted by AbsoluteZzZero
but I dont feel I have enough experience(less than a month)
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I have MUCH more experience than you. If you are going to go somewhere and ask for advice and then ridicule the people giving you advice, then don't expect too many people to help you.
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Originally Posted by AbsoluteZzZero
call his shit and keep as many people in the pot as possible. lose less money if the ace hit instead, but you have all the extra bets in the pot when you hit big.
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If someone was going to call 3 bets, they'll call 4 bets (especially if they have already put money in the pot). If the ace hits, you lose 1 more bet... If the ace doesn't hit (It's only going to hit roughly 1 in 6 flops), you'll win more than 1 extra bet. (BTW, this is the LAST advice I will give you. Hopefully you won't publically criticize others and they might continue to help)
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Originally Posted by AbsoluteZzZero
Since Im only 16
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That explains it all.
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Originally Posted by KRE8R
Actually yes I do advise this. Real money is the only real way to learn. Consider it paying for lessons on poker. I suggest that you read Small Stakes Hold'Em by David Sklansky and play the .01-.02 Limit game. Then work your way up from there.
The only thing that you will get from play money is the rules of the game.
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Best advice you can get. If someone loses all his play money, the site gives him more for free. Play money means nothing to people. Real money means something.
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09-03-2006, 06:21 PM
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Fish Food
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Join Date: Aug 2006
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Like I said, I wasnt criticizing anyone. Just giving my opinion on what he said. In my (more than likely wrong, n00bish)opinion, I dont think it makes a lot of sense to put real money up when I havent even been playing for more than a month yet, and havent read anything other than online articles yet.
Like I said, its just my n00bish opinion. I didnt mean to criticize him or anything of that nature...
Last edited by AbsoluteZzZero; 09-03-2006 at 06:30 PM.
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09-03-2006, 06:43 PM
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Fish Food
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Join Date: Aug 2006
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Originally Posted by KRE8R
You will not learn to be a winning player, or truly get better if you dont play for some real money.
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Alright, Ive been thinking about real money being so much better for learning. You never explained why it is so much better though. Is it just the players that play like crap on the play money tables(which I totally agree with!)? Is it the pychology of risking real money? Or something else?
I dont know if youll answer me, but maybe someone else will?
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09-03-2006, 11:19 PM
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NL20 Grinder...
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Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Portland, OR
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Limits Played: $0.10-$0.25 NL
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Originally Posted by AbsoluteZzZero
Alright, Ive been thinking about real money being so much better for learning. You never explained why it is so much better though. Is it just the players that play like crap on the play money tables(which I totally agree with!)? Is it the pychology of risking real money? Or something else?
I dont know if youll answer me, but maybe someone else will?
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To an extent you answered your own question.
Yes, the players in the play money rooms have no value attached to their chips. Even the lowest of the micro real money tables have players that care about their money. Granted not as much as at a higher level but still more than play money.
Yes, the psychological effect is there. You feel different when you have real money on the line, and your bankroll is limited and cannot be quickly replenished.
Feeling a true sense of risk is the only real way to get used to playing poker for what it is.
You can play with play chips if you want to, but when you finally do go to real money you are going to lose it all very quickly and feel as though you are playing a totally different game. Trust me. I know because I did the same thing as you. I said "I will play with play chips to get good and then get some money on there and do well". When I finally got real money on I realized how extremely different it was. I got CLEANED OUT, and quickly. That was like a lesson to me. I realized that what I had been told was for real (the same thing I am telling you now), and I considered it a lesson paid for.
Just trying to save you some money. 
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09-03-2006, 11:53 PM
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Stu Ungar
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Join Date: Jun 2006
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I can garentee u that the day u deposite real money u will loose 70-100% of it. I thought i had gotten pretyy good on play money, but the day i deposited (me and my brother both put in $25) i lost most of it and my brother had to redeposite the next day. I ended up haveing to deposite 2ce on party and twice on stars (not real deposites, only $20 transfers) till i actually got the hang of it.
Most people loose there whole, or most of, there first deposite fairly quickley (if all they have ever played is Play)
U will NEVER progress and learn any decent amount, or even half way decent amount on the play money tables
Last edited by phoenixdan5; 09-03-2006 at 11:56 PM.
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09-04-2006, 11:28 AM
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Fish Food
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Join Date: Aug 2006
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So how long did it take both of you to start coming out even? And how long were you playing before you started with money?
I think Im going to get a book or two from the library tomorrow. See where it goes after that...
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09-04-2006, 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by AbsoluteZzZero
So how long did it take both of you to start coming out even? And how long were you playing before you started with money?
I think Im going to get a book or two from the library tomorrow. See where it goes after that...
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It took Small Stakes HoldEm once through and about 2 weeks before I started coming out in the green.
My best advice is to start with the lowest level you can and work your way up.
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09-05-2006, 07:36 AM
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Fish Food
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Join Date: Aug 2006
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Hopefully Im going to get Small Stakes Hold Em at the library today. Is it about limit or no-limit? Or both?
Oh yeah! 2/4 cent limit tables to begin with definitely!
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09-05-2006, 07:51 AM
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Stu Ungar
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Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Toronto, Ontario
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It took me about $600 to learn how to play poker. It probably would have been a lot less but I started out playing on the $0.25 tables because Pokerroom didn't have anything lower (and for some reason I didn't decide to change sites until much later.)
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09-05-2006, 08:35 AM
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Fish Food
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Join Date: Aug 2006
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Originally Posted by Mr.McJ
It took me about $600 to learn how to play poker. It probably would have been a lot less but I started out playing on the $0.25 tables because Pokerroom didn't have anything lower (and for some reason I didn't decide to change sites until much later.)
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Wow, hopefully it doesnt take me that much. Ill probably start on 2/4 cent limit tables, so Im hoping not to lose quite that much!
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