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Thread: Mistake or not?

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    River Rat TheEtniesKid's Avatar
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    I was recently playing in a 25 person tournament at my house and it was down to the final 3. I had a pretty good size stack in front of me but still had less than the two other players. I was in the small blind on this hand and the dealer folded to me.
    I looked down at and limped in. The big blind checked behind me and before the flop i checked in the dark.
    The flop was and the player bet 2x the big blind.
    Having caught top two pair and seeing the straight draw out there i raised over the top all in.
    He called and showed for the open ended straight draw. i was confused by his call as he would be crippled if i doubled up here.
    But sure enough the turn was a and he made his straight. River didnt make my full house and i was out of the tournament in 3rd place. A little dissapointed at that hand but proud of my nights play i walked about with a nice profit. But should i have played this hand differently or was i correct to move all in here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheEtniesKid
    I was recently playing in a 25 person tournament at my house and it was down to the final 3. I had a pretty good size stack in front of me but still had less than the two other players. I was in the small blind on this hand and the dealer folded to me.
    I looked down at and limped in. The big blind checked behind me and before the flop i checked in the dark.
    The flop was and the player bet 2x the big blind.
    Having caught top two pair and seeing the straight draw out there i raised over the top all in.
    He called and showed for the open ended straight draw. i was confused by his call as he would be crippled if i doubled up here.
    But sure enough the turn was a and he made his straight. River didnt make my full house and i was out of the tournament in 3rd place. A little dissapointed at that hand but proud of my nights play i walked about with a nice profit. But should i have played this hand differently or was i correct to move all in here?

    why check in the dark? did you do that at all that night? if not, that looks suspicios, and is a huge tell if you ask me. either you have a really strong hand, or you have garbage.

    but, you flopped nicely. and the BB made a "i dont think this guy has anything" bet. ....so that was a good all in push since you were the low stack.
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    well ya i been dark checking the whole night and was throwing people off with it because when i didnt they got suspicious as opposed to when i would. i also liked putting myself in good position with a not so good hand in this particular case. but ya i agree with you about his bet i was just really upset he made the call

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheEtniesKid
    well ya i been dark checking the whole night and was throwing people off with it because when i didnt they got suspicious as opposed to when i would. i also liked putting myself in good position with a not so good hand in this particular case. but ya i agree with you about his bet i was just really upset he made the call
    Checking in the dark is just stupid. To do it once vs a specific opponent (as is the asian guy vs Dn at last years NL WSOP event) is ok for tactical reasons. To do it repeatedly and blindly is just ignorant. You are leaving a lot of money on the table by doing that. There are plenty of situations where being first to act is a bigger advantage than being last.
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    Well ya i would agree with you but for some reason during this specific tournament my constant doing it seemed to help me. I wasnt losing many hands at all and it was throwring off all my opponents. Because i would do it ofthen but i wouldnt do it everytime i had the chance and that would confuse people into checking when they had caught a piece of the flop. A couple times i would dark check it on the flop and turn and then not on the river and even though i didnt have anything i would bet and people would be confused enough to fold. Maybe it was stupid and i dont normally do this but it just seemed to be working at the time, so meh.

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    I generally hate all-in moves when a pot size or better bet will do! Too often all-in looks weak and an attempt to steal so may encourage a call like Ace high with oesd!
    But your quetion was 'Mistake or not?' -

    First, if you could have won the hand without risking your entire stack but did so anyway - that would be a mistake IMO. Your bets could have been scaled to make calling to a draw a mistake - 1/2 to pot size would do. If you want early resolution - pot plus 1/2 or double would make most draws fold.

    2nd - it's hard to figure the odds you were giving/getting by your all-in bet without the stack and pot sizes given but was the all-in risk worth the reward being offer by the pot? This may be a mistake.

    3rd - I would also apply the odds question to your opps and on the face of it I think his was the biggest mistake of all. Pairing his ace was not going to win the pot without also pairing the 3 or 4 so these outs are practically useless but his open ended str8 gaves him 8 outs for about 2.2 to 1 with 2 draws. Was the pot offering this or better - I doubt it! I think he made a poor call and got rewarded for it - your tuf luck!
    Last edited by Aces-o-8s; 02-28-2006 at 10:24 PM.

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    Surely you want to be called by an up and down straight draw when you have 2 pairs? You know you were a favourite going in so just took a bad beat.

    This is one of those posts which says - I put all my money in with a best hand and got outdrawn did I do anything wrong. Should be in River Rats Section really.

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    I thought about my play after the tournament and thought of better ways to play it. I agree with Aces in that i should have prolly not raised all in cause it kind of shows weekness and instead made a raise that showed maybe that i wanted him to call and collect more chips. To him my AI prolly looked like i was trying to push him off of any draws but that i didnt have anything yet, so with an overcard to the board and his oesd he thought he might have the best hand and called. Next time i know i should just double or triple his raise instead of going all in to show some strength and not give him the odds to chase.

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