Right to slow down?

**Meldon** · 02-27-2006

Hello - can I have opinions on how I played this hand.

[Feb 27 19:27:56] : Seat 1 : brianmcg has $18.60
[Feb 27 19:27:56] : Seat 2 : komatch has $13.79
[Feb 27 19:27:56] : Seat 3 : Hero has $15.47
[Feb 27 19:27:56] : Seat 4 : marcelluz has $41.86
[Feb 27 19:27:56] : Seat 5 : fatheed has $7.18
[Feb 27 19:27:56] : Seat 6 : miniman has $39.10
[Feb 27 19:27:56] : marcelluz is the dealer.
[Feb 27 19:27:56] : fatheed posted small blind.
[Feb 27 19:27:57] : miniman posted big blind.
[Feb 27 19:27:57] : Game [104771] started with 6 players.
[Feb 27 19:27:57] : Dealing Hole Cards.
[Feb 27 19:27:57] : Seat 3 : Hero has Ac Ah
[Feb 27 19:28:02] : brianmcg called $0.20
[Feb 27 19:28:02] : komatch called $0.20
[Feb 27 19:28:06] : Hero called $0.20 and raised $0.80
[Feb 27 19:28:06] : marcelluz folded.
[Feb 27 19:28:08] : fatheed folded.
[Feb 27 19:28:10] : miniman folded.
[Feb 27 19:28:14] : brianmcg called $0.80
[Feb 27 19:28:20] : komatch called $0.80
[Feb 27 19:28:20] : Dealing flop.
[Feb 27 19:28:20] : Board cards [Jc Ks 4h]
[Feb 27 19:28:31] : brianmcg bet $0.80
[Feb 27 19:28:37] : komatch folded.
[Feb 27 19:28:39] : Hero called $0.80 and raised $1.60
[Feb 27 19:28:45] : brianmcg called $1.60
[Feb 27 19:28:45] : Dealing turn.
[Feb 27 19:28:45] : Board cards [Jc Ks 4h Jd]
[Feb 27 19:28:56] : brianmcg checked.
[Feb 27 19:28:57] : Hero checked.
[Feb 27 19:28:58] : Dealing river.
[Feb 27 19:28:58] : Board cards [Jc Ks 4h Jd 8d]
[Feb 27 19:29:07] : brianmcg bet $3.20
[Feb 27 19:29:09] : Hero called $3.20
[Feb 27 19:29:11] : Showdown!

I'll post the results after a few people have had their say.

**Girevik** · 02-27-2006

Well, before slowing down you need to speed up more. I think both your pre-flp and flop bets were too small.

I would have made a bet on the turn to try and see where you stand, but about the only can I can come up with that you'd need to be afraid of that he might have played that was was AJ.

**se7en** · 02-27-2006

Pocket Rockets are still just a pair by the river if they don't improve.

Why check the turn? He checked to you. I'd figure him for chasing a straight (rainbow flop) or possibly having a J and hoping you don't have the K.

He sees you check the turn, and senses weakness, betting the river --OR-- he is hoping to check-raise you, but didn't get a bet to raise.

So.. he had a J right?

**binaryc** · 02-27-2006

You should have bet ~1.60 on the turn. If he had a J and was hoping to check-raise, he would come over the top, and you could safely fold, having invested the minimum (you would have only lost 1.60 instead of 3.20).

**Aces-o-8s** · 02-27-2006

brianmcg first just limps in pre-flop and then calls a 4xbb raise. What kind of hands limp then call a pre-flop raise 4xbb??? K-J does come to mind although I would have folded to the raise.
When the flop come he leads out!!! Unless he is a very loose-aggressive and up to a bold stab at bluffing/smei-bluffing the pre-flop raiser I would put him on to top pair and NOT the 2nd pair of jacks. With (just) 2nd pair, the natural tendancy would be to check into the pre-flop raiser and hope to see turn not too expensively. The J on the turn reduces the chance he has a J in his hand - a probe bet (1/3 - 1/2 pot) is called for to verify. If he calls, I still put him onto the K but if he comes over the top with a good sized bet, I have to believe he has trips and now have to decide whether I call to see the river and a miricle card or fold and cut my loses on the turn.

**Meldon** · 02-27-2006

Thankyou for your responses.

Girevik : I made a 4x BB raise pre-flop because that had been the standard raise on this table and it was routinely getting 1 caller. This time I got 2 callers which wasn't ideal, but wouldn't an unusually higher bet given away the strength of my hand? I agree that my raise on the flop now looks a bit weak ( I was giving him 4-1 odds ), would a pot-sized raise been more appropriate?

I think the consensus is that I should have bet the turn and I can see now that my play was weak - which invited the larger river bet. This hand followed one where a I had my top pair good kicker hand beaten by someone making a FH with T3o. My confidence was down and when I saw him the villain in this hand call my raise on the flop I actually put him on KJ which is why I slowed down. Looking back now I was on Tilt and it caused weak play and me to forget about pot odds on the flop and not think logically on the turn - lesson learned.

The villain actually flipped over AKo and as aces-o-8s correctly said he was betting top pair. I took down the pot, but knew I hadn't played it too well - hence the posting on here.

**Keefter** · 02-28-2006

Originally Posted by Meldon

Thankyou for your responses.

Girevik : I made a 4x BB raise pre-flop because that had been the standard raise on this table and it was routinely getting 1 caller. This time I got 2 callers which wasn't ideal, but wouldn't an unusually higher bet given away the strength of my hand? I agree that my raise on the flop now looks a bit weak ( I was giving him 4-1 odds ), would a pot-sized raise been more appropriate?

I think the consensus is that I should have bet the turn and I can see now that my play was weak - which invited the larger river bet. This hand followed one where a I had my top pair good kicker hand beaten by someone making a FH with T3o. My confidence was down and when I saw him the villain in this hand call my raise on the flop I actually put him on KJ which is why I slowed down. Looking back now I was on Tilt and it caused weak play and me to forget about pot odds on the flop and not think logically on the turn - lesson learned.

The villain actually flipped over AKo and as aces-o-8s correctly said he was betting top pair. I took down the pot, but knew I hadn't played it too well - hence the posting on here.

I play these tables every day and have player notes on all the players you were playing. 4 x BB preflop raise is perfect imo, unless you are playing with maniacs.

I'm almost certain you are beat. and I'm guessing Brain has a J.

**Girevik** · 02-28-2006

Originally Posted by Meldon

Thankyou for your responses.

Girevik : I made a 4x BB raise pre-flop because that had been the standard raise on this table and it was routinely getting 1 caller. This time I got 2 callers which wasn't ideal, but wouldn't an unusually higher bet given away the strength of my hand? I agree that my raise on the flop now looks a bit weak ( I was giving him 4-1 odds ), would a pot-sized raise been more appropriate?

But there were already two people in the pot ahead of you. A 4xBB raise is fine if you are the first into the pot, but I think you need to bump that up a bit if there are limpers ahead of you.

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