*sigh*....I hate Poker

**Mr.McJ** · 02-25-2006

$5 MTT. I'm in the top 30 and playing some of the best poker I've ever played in an MTT......then this hand happens.

At any point should I have layed this down? Did I play too aggressively?
(Sorry for the crappy format, for some reason the HH converter won't convert this hand, probably because it's a tourney.)

$5+$1 (real money), hand #173,770,740
5+0.5 NL Holdem Multi Table Tournament, 26 Feb 2006 01:11 AM
View Previous | Next hand for this table.
Seat 1: MrMcj [QD,QS] ($9,445 in chips)
Seat 2: SydParrot ($4,730 in chips)
Seat 3: guezt ($10,891 in chips)
Seat 4: Beijing Boy ($2,709 in chips)
Seat 5: Inveigler ($8,610 in chips)
Seat 6: Gorilla70x ($8,140 in chips)
Seat 7: cowboydqp ($1,670 in chips)
Seat 8: asso513 ($6,435 in chips)
Seat 10: sammyjoe16 ($3,316 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
Beijing Boy posts blind ($150), Inveigler posts blind ($300).

PRE-FLOP
Gorilla70x bets $600, cowboydqp folds, asso513 folds, sammyjoe16 folds, MrMcj bets $1,500, SydParrot folds, guezt folds, Beijing Boy folds, Inveigler folds, Gorilla70x bets $1,800, MrMcj calls $900.

FLOP [board cards 6C,2C,3H ]
Gorilla70x bets $1,000, MrMcj bets $3,000, Gorilla70x bets $4,740 and is all-in, MrMcj calls $2,740.

TURN [board cards 6C,2C,3H,8D ]

RIVER [board cards 6C,2C,3H,8D,6D ]

SHOWDOWN
Gorilla70x shows [ AH,AC ]
MrMcj shows [ QD,QS ]
Gorilla70x wins $16,730.
SUMMARY
Dealer: guezt
Pot: $16,730
MrMcj, loses $8,140
SydParrot, loses $0
guezt, loses $0
Beijing Boy, loses $150
Inveigler, loses $300
Gorilla70x, bets $8,140, collects $16,730, net $8,590
cowboydqp, loses $0
asso513, loses $0
sammyjoe16, loses $0

**KRE8R** · 02-25-2006

I would say that Harrington would have said to slow down after the raise postflop. It is a sign to me that he may have a higher pocket pair. It also depends on how this guy was playing throughout the tourney. Did you have any info on him thus far? Was he the type that may do this with a flush draw? Or maybe with a pair of sixes in the hole or something? I would have stepped back and reevaluated my hand after that reraise preflop, and then maybe even folded when he raised right out after the flop.

I am reading HOH right now, so thats why I said Harrinton.

**Irexes** · 02-26-2006

Creator said exactly what I was going to. This depends entirely on the information you have on the guy. If I have him as slightly loose then I'll get all my chips in preflop.

If I have him as decent, then I'll be very wary of KK or AA preflop with the min reraise. His flop bet is very good as if you call you are almost committed to doubling him up, yet it's hard to let the pot go for relatively so little.

Tough one and given that it didn't cripple you for the tourney a very hard one to get away from.

**Cpt. Bloodclot** · 02-26-2006

min raise in early position preflop followed by a reraise screams AA (maybe KK)...it wouldn't be easy but you should have folded to a bet on the flop

**PJ of TheGame** · 02-26-2006

I don't think you can flat call here preflop and then get all-in on the flop.

The only way you can flat call is if you're worried about a bigger pair, which you should be the way he's played so far. So when the flop comes, you have to be thinking that you're probably behind. Do I fold to the 1k bet? I don't know the best way to play this, but I'm definantly expecting to lose by the time he's 3 bet the flop.

**Keefter** · 02-27-2006

I had QQ yesterday at a similar stage of an MTT. I was 6th in chips and ended up in a similar scenario as you with a guy betting at the board of 285. I called him down and he flipped over 99, I won and increased my stack by nearly double.

I would have done almost the same as you did except I would have raised all in on the flop. Outcome would have been the same. The oly thing that could have saved you would be an A or a K on the flop, makes the laydown alot easier. At that stage of an MTT people are sarting to try different moves, usually alot looser, tough luck.

**KRE8R** · 02-28-2006

Originally Posted by Keefter

I had QQ yesterday at a similar stage of an MTT. I was 6th in chips and ended up in a similar scenario as you with a guy betting at the board of 285. I called him down and he flipped over 99, I won and increased my stack by nearly double.

I would have done almost the same as you did except I would have raised all in on the flop. Outcome would have been the same. The oly thing that could have saved you would be an A or a K on the flop, makes the laydown alot easier. At that stage of an MTT people are sarting to try different moves, usually alot looser, tough luck.

Yeah, but its a mistake to just start pushing all in on people that you dont know about. You should at least consider how much the pot is, and what the call or all in will mean. If you honestly dont know, I would just fold and wait to see what kind of hands he plays with. I like to ask them what they had and see if they are stupid enough to tell me.

**Beavis68** · 02-28-2006

Originally Posted by Cpt. Bloodclot

min raise in early position preflop followed by a reraise screams AA (maybe KK)...it wouldn't be easy but you should have folded to a bet on the flop

bull, ou cant fold to a bet of 1k on the flop. he cant slow down afte the reraise because he is calling all in.

These hand histories really piss me off, you ask for help but expect us to do all the work.

His bet of $600, does that make it $900 to go? You "bet $1500" does mean you raised to 1800, 2100 or 2400?

I am going to assume he actually raised to 900 because that is how it looks to me and you raised to 1800

Final pot on the flop is 5850?

Adding these details is critical.

You only have 6700 in your stack, no over cards, you guys are going to get all in post flop.

It is just one of those things. This is a 5+1 MTT, no ones actions "scream" anything.

I don't really think you could play it too much differently except to flat call on the flop if you respect the player - or possibly pre-flop but that is risky too.

**KRE8R** · 02-28-2006

It doesnt matter if its a lower level tournament. You still have to respect appropriate play whether it is there or not. You still shouldnt make a difinitive move against someone unless you have at least a partial understanding of how they might play. And obviously his actions DID scream something.

**Beavis68** · 02-28-2006

yes, tourney buy in does matter. that is your first "read".

and there was no way to "slow down" when he only had 2740 in chips left. The pot was huge preflop. With only 30bbs, there isn't that much room to manuver.

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