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    I think this was poor play by me. What's a better way to play this hand? Thanks.

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) converter

    MP1 (t1460)
    MP2 (t1330)
    MP3 (t3170)
    CO (t3160)
    Button (t850)
    SB (t3820)
    BB (t2670)
    UTG (t1020)
    Hero (t1200)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with , .
    1 fold, Hero calls t20, MP1 calls t20, MP2 calls t20, MP3 calls t20, CO calls t20, Button calls t20, SB completes, BB checks.

    Flop: (t160) , , (8 players)
    SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets t80, MP1 folds, MP2 calls t80, MP3 calls t80, CO folds, Button calls t80, SB calls t80, BB calls t80.

    Turn: (t640) (6 players)
    SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets t100, MP2 calls t100, MP3 calls t100, Button calls t100, SB calls t100, BB folds.

    River: (t1140) (5 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets t100, MP2 folds, MP3 raises to t200, Button folds, SB raises to t300, Hero folds, MP3 calls t100.

    Final Pot: t1840

    Results in white below:
    SB has 7s JavaScript (straight, queen high).
    MP3 has 9h Jc (straight, queen high).
    Outcome: MP3 wins t920. SB wins t920.

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    how about not limping from UTG with a shitty hand? you MUST raise it PF if you want in on this hand.(which is still pretty silly). and your bets on the flop and turn in this multi-way pot are pointless. they are too small. and they are just calling, so I'd put them on a drawing hand. you have to make them pay more to see those cards. you definately deserved getting outdrawn here.
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    I agree .... if your playing this hand you are hoping to win with a str8 or a flush or you are playing a very passive table and know you can raise the flop and get some folders.

    If you hit any part of this hand you are at best a pair with poor kicker, in this case mid pair with poor kicker.

    If you are gonna continue with this hand you gotta bet the str8 draw hard to kill off other drawers.

    Then if you get a caller you can fairly put them on a Q.

    Personally I wouldn't play this type of hand out of position.

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    Early in a tourny, most of the table is playing very loose and trying to see every flop cheap with virtually anything - all hoping to hit a miracle flop and make a big pot from all the other fishies doing the same thing. T-9s from UTG qualifies for this strategy and with 8 limping in on this hand you're getting 7-1 if no-one raises - tempting even if it is a low percentage play. What are you hoping for - a str8 or flush? Your nut str8 if your ten gets counterfeited (and it was) can only be Jack high or lower and your flush is only 5th best after the Ax, Kx, Qx,Jx in clubs! Ugggg! Best strategy - fold! But I know what you're think - I could flop a str8 flush!!!!

    The flop is VERY BAD for you. You caught a piece of it but not the top piece and the str8 is already very possibly made - almost all players love to play J-T so if it was dealt your already beat. Best strategy - check-fold! But I know you're thinking "hey. I've got 2nd pair, an inside str8 draw and a backdoor flush - I'm a contender!!!!" In the mean time some guy is getting out his fishing tackle and selecting a nice fly for you to chomp on. Your bet of half the pot is correct to cut drawing odds for str8s and flushes but unfortunately at this level it's too cheap and anybody who caught a piece or flopped the whole pie are already discounting expressed odds (the real and actual) and are calculating implied odds (the size of your stack). t80 just isn't enough to push out drawing hands from UTG and for every caller the odds get better for the next guy! You would need a 2x pot size bet to have any real impact and ofcourse you only have 2nd pair at this time. BADDDDDDD!

    Well if the flop wasn't bad enough, the turn just made everything for you worse! Anybody calling with a Q now has at least Trips and if not a full house he has 9 outs to catch it on the river - same odds of you catching a flush! Uggggggg! Best strategy - FOLD!!!!! Ahh, but the fish in you can only see the flush and you still have that inside str8 draw! By the way - did you een notice that 5 (that's FIVE) others are still in the pot with you?? What do you think they're hanging around with? Your bet 100 into a 640 pot is giving the next guy 7.4-1 to call - how could he NOT! Your bet is not only USELESS to you, it is now acting as a POT SWEETENER drawing all your opps into the pot while it gets sweeter and sweeter with every call - DISASTER!!

    River - you're toast! Betting t100 into a field of 5 was just throwing your chips away - my gawd you are giving 12.4:1 odds to the next caller!!! Even a lowly 2 pair can call with those odds - oh, wait - that would be you!!! LOL!

    You asked how you could have played this hand better. Short answer, study the flop and try to figure out what hands are out there that fit and can beat you! What are the 4 and 5 opps calling with? I don't mind the pre-flop call although it was a low percentage play but with that flop you could only be dead money! With the turn - what does it take for you fold???
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    Quote Originally Posted by ypsieast
    I think this was poor play by me. What's a better way to play this hand?
    Fold PF for many of the reasons stated.
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    I like your analysis A/8 (even if it makes me look like a donk- which i was on that hand). I'll agree that its probably a pf fold, but I was feeling frisky and I want to work on my suited-connector play (and work, i must do). I knew I could likely get away with limping.
    After the flop, I had to worry about a Q, the str8 and flush draws. I decided to just probe with that small bet. I figured any Q or made str8 would have to protect against the flush draw and reraise. In that event I would have folded np. Also, if a spade came on the turn I would check/fold. I figured a blank on the turn would keep me alive, or my hand could improve.
    The turn is where I think my play really broke down. I had already discounted anyone having the Q or str8 and now I improved to a flush draw. The bet was too small to drive anyone out. It would have been better to check down from this point on unless I made my str8 or flush.
    While the river improved my hand, it was the death blow vs. a J. I was dumb to bet the river. At least I wised up enough to fold to the reraise.

    As soon as the hand was over, I knew I misplayed it and copied it for PFO. Thanks to all for your comments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pok 7's
    Fold PF for many of the reasons stated.
    At which position or situation, if any, do you play T9s and the like? CO, Button...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ypsieast
    At which position or situation, if any, do you play T9s and the like? CO, Button...?

    Early in a tourney with so many limping in, T-9s can be played from any position so long as you understand it is a low percentage play and that MOST of the time, you'll be folding on the flop if you don't hit a good fit! Kind of like playing low and mid pairs - hit the set on thr flop or fold!! Flop texture is so important and the deciding factor as to whether you can proceed or not.

    For example will give you 3 rd best flush draw to the A and J instead of only 5th! Still weak but not as far back and you still have an inside str8 draw - proceed with caution!!

    gives you Top pair and an open ended str8 with a weak backdoor flush. or

    gives u 2 pair with 2 draws to a full house; along with a backdoor str8 and flush (although a weak flush) or the real monster

    - with a flopped set you have 4:1 odds of winning without improving and 9 outs and 2 draws to fill in your full house.

    Check the flop texture, watch the field (how many in, staying in and with what) and get a read from the betting. Be prepared to cut your loses early if the story is coming back bad. Oh, and watch the pot - are you betting to your advantage or to that of the field???

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    ok pf i dont mind the limp with 109s, blinds are still fairly small so u wanna get in there and see as many flops as u can for as cheap as possible. just make sure u fold that hand to a raise pf.

    on the flop u hit middle pair with a low kicker, and a shitty INSD with 3 players left to act after you. NASTY FLOP.
    with 7 players in the hand, u gotta think that someone here has u beat already, its very possible that someone here has the Q, or at least a 9 with higher kicker or even the made straight (rare). With that being said, im not gonna waste any more chips to try and take down this pot. I check it down, and hope that everyone else checks it down so i can make the INSD.

    If u want to bet this hand on the flop, u HAVE TO bet it harder then half pot. Plug in a full potsize here, and try to play it out as if u have TP or better. Betting 1/2 pot on the flop like that is a HUGE mistake, because all u need is 1 caller, for the rest of the people to get odds to call for any types of draws. On top of that, if u get called, it will be extremely hard to play this hand on the turn, and especially on the river if u dont make your draw or trips (im guessing making 2 pair here would be no good against so many callers).

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    I play this hand late position, hoping to get a good flop, and then would raise on a passive table.

    Would never bet alot on the hand tho.

    Gotta think most people, especially on 10 man table playing with AT and above.

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