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  1. #1
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    Default Did I extract the most value from this hand?

    1/2 Live NL

    The players:
    UTG: ~$350, solid
    UTG+1: ~$220, me
    UTG+2: ~$400, agressive & tricky
    MP1: ~$400, loose agressive
    LP2: $12
    CO: ~$150, solid

    UTG straddles for $5
    MP1 re-straddles for $10
    I'm UTG+1 with
    I'm not too thrilled with the situation, but I decide to see a flop with it
    I call $10.
    UTG+2 raises to $20.
    LP2: goes all-in for $12
    CO calls $20
    I call $10
    UTG calls $15
    MP1 calls $10

    Flop:


    I love this flop. It gives me top pair, top kicker, with four to the flush. UTG checks and I'm really not sure what I should do. I have two aggressive players left behind me, so if I check it's possible one of them will bet. At the same time, it's possible one of the 4 live players in this hand flopped trips, two pair, the made flush, or a good straight draw which means I'm not in very good shape (I'll have to hit my flush or another Q to win). I decide I'm going to have to get all my money in on this hand, and figure it's in my best interest to do it now while I still have fold equity, particularly since the pot is already healthy at over $100. I also decide an all-in move is likely to look like a bluff, and generate a call from a weaker hand.

    I push all-in for a bit more than $200
    UTG+2 ponders for a very long time, trying to extract information out of me before folding.
    MP1: folds without hessitation
    CO: ponders for a very long time before saying "fuck it" and pushing all-in for his last $150.
    UTG: folds without hessitation

    LP2 shows
    CO shows for two pair
    UTG+2 reveals he folded !!!!!!

    The turn was a blank, and the river was a heart, giving me the nut flush.

    It turns out I really was behind on the flop. In this situation, having UTG+2 in the hand wouldn't have changed anything at all for me because my outs would have been the exact same (I still would have needed a queen or a heart). In other words, getting him to fold didn't increase my chances of winning the pot at all, so I think it was probably not a good move, but I'm not sure. Would it have been better to bet small, or even check the flop and let someone behind me bet big? He would have certainly bet large with his aces on the flop (having seen how he's played before), then when the CO and I went all-in after him, he would have had to call because of pot odds, making me an extra $200 from the hand.

  2. #2
    Stu Ungar Mr.McJ's Avatar
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    Great fold by UTG+2.
    I don't really see how you could have gotten anymore out of this.

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    Stu Ungar KINGJACK's Avatar
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    You cant get more IMO... + if you slow play flop*,5-6 or AA may make you fold the turn BTW!

    KJ
    Originally Posted by Girevik
    Heck, I've seen people go nuts with middle pair!

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