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    Default Laydowns?

    Which, if any, of the following hands could you laydown? In each case, the key opponent is a reasonable player, not too tight, perhaps a little loose, but not overly aggressive.

    1. It's cash game, $1/$2 NL. You are in the big blind with 97o. UTG limps, everyone folds through the button, the SB completes the bet, and you check. Pot is $6.

    The flop is 9d 9c Td. SB checks, and you bet $3. UTG calls, and the SB folds. The turn is 6h, and you bet $6. UTG calls, and pot is now $18. The river is 6c for a final board of 9d 9c Td 6h 6c. You bet the pot, and UTG moves all in for $100. You have $90 left. Call?


    2. It's getting late in a MTT. You have about 4300 chips, and the blinds are 100/200 with a 25 ante. You are in the BB with Qd7d, and you see a 5-handed, unraised flop. The flop is QQ9 rainbow. The SB checks, you bet 400 into the 1200 pot, UTG calls, and everyone else folds.

    The turn is a T. You bet 1000, and UTG moves all for 7500. Call?


    3. It's the middle of a SNG. You have about 1700 chips, and the blinds are 25/50. UTG raises to 150, a MP player calls, you call with AcKc, and the button calls.

    The flop comes down Ks 9s 8c. UTG checks, and the MP moves all in for 3,000 chips. Call?

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    Call em all and let god sort em out.

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    #1 Is a tough decision you haven't invested a ton into the pot to risk your remaing $90 on although I'd have to say I'm calling.

    #2. I'd probably bet more than 400 into the pot but I'm calling.

    #3. If I were going to lay any of these down this might be the one... I'm thinking I'm up against AA, KK or another AK hand.

    Naturally you really haven't described any of the players traits so there's only so much info to work with here but also a big factor in making a decision, if they're maniacs, rocks, etc. my decisions might change.
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    1. Only TT 66 and T9 are ahead of you. Maybe he's got 87 for the straight, maybe something like A9, K9 (in which case you're tied). This is a tough situation, but given the small number of card combinations that beat you, I think we've got to call.

    2. This is an even tougher spot, given that if you lose you're out. If you fold you have an M (or CSI, whatever you want to call it) of about 6. You do have trip Q's, but your kicker sucks. Could he really be holding J8 or KJ and have hit a miracle straight? Even if he has, you have 10 outs (3 7's, 1 Q, 3 9's, 3 T's) and will only be a 3:1 dog to make your FH. Problem is that you should have gone all in on the turn, or better yet have made a pot sized bet or larger on the flop to begin with. If he's got Q9 QT TT or 99, you're drawing just about dead to a tie/win. But you're in a really crappy position now if you fold, so I think you've gotta take your chances and call.

    3. Fold. It's early, MP could have just have hit his set and have you drawing nearly dead. You've got plenty of chips and he has you covered (so you're out if you're wrong), so you don't need to walk right into his trap (I almost always go all in on a flop like this in a SNG if I hit a set and watch sucker after sucker call). Don't go broke with one pair (says my good friend Phil Gordon).

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    Dont say you will win all of them, but definately its +EV in all situation IMO.

    1st one you dont have to fear a lot of hands

    2nd is a 5X pot size raise.. I mean WTF...

    3rd one... Why going all in here with a monster...

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    Beavis don't make no laydowns. Laydowns are for bitches.

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    none of these hands matter if the dude is solid or not imo. call/ raise all of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beavis68
    Beavis don't make no laydowns. Laydowns are for bitches.
    LOL. Another Beavis classic.

    Ok. I called in all three instances, and lost each hand. I guess I just wanted a reality check on whether I had misplayed the hands.

    As I mentioned, all three opponents were within the range of reason. They played more loosely than I would (as you will see concerning some of the hands that they turned over), but nothing very extreme.

    Hand 1: After the call on the flop, I put the guy on either something like AT or some kind of draw (straight or flush) given his preflop limp and his flat flop call. I definitely felt that I had the best hand, and I was just trying to bet enough to make a call wrong from any kind of second-best hand.

    When he called on the turn, I began to think that he could have a hand that involved a 9, but he still showed no evidence of holding a monster.

    On the river, I felt that the only hand that he might limp with from EP that beats me is TT, and I felt that I couldn't laydown a fullhouse out of fear that he had those exact cards. I also felt that he might have been making a move on me, regarding my 1/2 pot bets as signs of weakness. Thus, I called, and he showed TT.


    Hand 2: Basically, I went through the same thought process when I flopped trip Qs here. I was worried about my kicker, but I felt that I couldn't laydown trips on the chance that I was up against the case Q with a better kicker. So I called, and he showed QT, making his full house on the turn.


    Hand 3: This is the only hand that I feel that I probably should have folded. The betting in the actual hand was slightly different than in my post. The preflop action was the same, but the key opponent in my hand led out on the flop with 800 bet into a pot of about 700. I knew I couldn't just call, and I thought was either up against another AK or a hand like KQ that was being bet really aggressively by a bigger stack. I didn't think that I had run into a set, and I should have because that what he had: he had called the UTG raise with 88, and he flopped bottom set. He immediately called my re-raise all-in. I picked up an Ace on the turn to make top two-pair, but a brick on the river did me in.
    Last edited by mxp2004; February 21st, 2006 at 05:04 PM.

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    Call all 3 senor.

    Interesting you brought up number 2 though. It's similar to HoH Vol2 eg, and Lee Jones just wrote about it in an article of CP about SAGE.

    Weird timing, that's all.
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    However the players there are tight and just the flops are hit or miss IMO.

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    call
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