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    Stu Ungar Mr.McJ's Avatar
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    Default Am I the only one going broke on this hand?

    Anything I should have done differently? Perhaps I was TOO aggressive?



    PokerRoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) internettexasholdem.com

    UTG ($21.70)
    UTG+1 ($35.30)
    MP1 ($17.40)
    MP2 ($27.30)
    CO ($21.30)
    Button ($26.35)
    SB ($34.95)
    Hero ($24.25)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with , .
    3 folds, MP2 raises to $0.75, 2 folds, SB calls $0.60, Hero raises to $2, MP2 calls $1.25, SB calls $1.25.

    Flop: ($6) , , (3 players)
    SB bets $0.5, Hero raises to $5, MP2 folds, SB calls $4.50.

    Turn: ($16) (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $17.25 (All-In), SB calls $17.25.

    River: ($50.50) (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Final Pot: $50.50


    SHOWDOWN
    MrMcj shows [ KC,KD ]
    Villain shows [ JH,QD ]
    Villain wins $50.
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    Him calling that big bet on the flop may have slowed me down a bit - I'd have either checked or bet more like 3/4 the pot on the turn and see what he did.
    I'm CDO. It's like OCD, but everying is in order just like it should be.

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    I had him on JavaScript. I figured a big bet would make him pay to draw. Little did I know I was already drawing dead.

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    pre-flop, SB had already called a small raise, and although you did re-raise it , I don't think it was enough to show your strength. that was your mistake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.McJ
    I had him on JavaScript. I figured a big bet would make him pay to draw. Little did I know I was already drawing dead.
    That's just it - a 3/4 pot bet is enough to take away odds to draw to an OESD without risking your entire stack.
    I'm CDO. It's like OCD, but everying is in order just like it should be.

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    I owuld not have put him on JQ. His PF actions would make that holding unlikely.

    His bet/call on the flop would puzzle me, but I would be hard pressed to say I play this differently.
    Marm is back, maybe. Been off for 3 years. Rusty as Hell.

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    I dont know if I go broke, but his flop play definately rings a bell,

    Betting $0.50 being 1st to act in a 6$+ pot is very odd. And then he calls a 4.50$ raise...

    I would have check the turn I think...

    And probably call a normal size bet on the river. Maybe not all in...

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    Heck, I've seen people go nuts with middle pair!

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    a $.50 bet and then a call of a $5 raise is a pretty good indicator of a real strong hand. JavaScript is just as likely as 8s, 9s, or Ts so I don't like this thinking.
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    When he check/calls that bet on a three card straight board, alarm bells should go off in your head.

    Let's play this one back. It's raised to 3x bb by MP, and the SB calls for only $0.60 more. You raise it to only $2 total (8x the bb is way too little, IMO - try at least 15x the bb or 5 times the previous raise when there's been 2 callers), MP calls (now putting him on AJ-A2, KQ, small - med pair) and the SB calls the $1.25 because he's getting around 4:1 on his money.

    Not many players are so cold blooded as to slow pay a big pair twice before the flop, so we'd have to rule out AA & QQ for the SB. Likewise, AK is almost a certain reraise the second time around (if for nothing else than information). JJ, TT not reraising here twice is also very unlikely. So I'd put him on a pair 99-22, or suited connectors.

    When the three straight flops, and your opponent check/calls you, I'm thinking he's probably got at least 2 pair most of the time. If I think he's just an idiot on a draw, then I also pound him on the turn. But if I either don't have a feel for him or think he's a solid player, I think I check behind him on the turn and see what the river brings.

    This is why we raise a significant amount PF most of the time - to avoid these difficult decisions on later streets. Of course, I also play this one cute some % of the time just to mix my play up, so if that was what I was doing here, I also go broke.

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    Thanks a lot, that's very helpful.
    It seems that I'm just not thinking enough when playing. It's like I make up my mind what I'm going to do before the flop comes and then I do it...regardless of what my opponents do. I know, I know.....I'm retarded. I really wish the online sites gave me more time to think though, sometimes I feel like I'm trying to diffuse a bomb or something. lol.

    I guess I just have a way to go.

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