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    Hey guys,

    I was just about to bring my Pp BR high enough so I could move up to 2/4 limit, when I hit a nasty series of hands that prevented me from doing it. So yeah today i started recovery, when this hand came up....


    $1/$2 Texas Hold'em - Monday, February 13, 01:25:15 EDT 2006
    Seat 7 is the button
    Total number of players : 10
    Seat 1: Hero ( $65 )
    Seat 2: birdcage222 ( $75.50 )
    Seat 5: JDR908 ( $35.25 )
    Seat 9: rwb1970 ( $129.75 )
    Seat 6: ttthomas8579 ( $17.25 )
    Seat 4: dealtou21 ( $31 )
    Seat 7: tigerlee222 ( $61 )
    Seat 3: yothumbs ( $36 )
    Seat 8: cam32767 ( $36.50 )
    Seat 10: JBPaulsen777 ( $55.75 )
    cam32767 posts small blind [$0.50].
    rwb1970 posts big blind [$1].
    ** Dealing down cards **
    Dealt to Hero [ As Kd ]
    JBPaulsen777 calls [$1].
    Hero raises [$2].
    birdcage222 folds.
    yothumbs calls [$2].
    dealtou21 folds.
    JDR908 folds.
    ttthomas8579 folds.
    tigerlee222 folds.
    cam32767 folds.
    rwb1970 calls [$1].
    JBPaulsen777 calls [$1].
    ** Dealing Flop ** [ Ks, Qd, 2c ]
    rwb1970 checks.
    JBPaulsen777 bets [$1].
    Hero raises [$2].
    yothumbs folds.
    rwb1970 folds.
    JBPaulsen777 calls [$1].
    ** Dealing Turn ** [ 5c ]
    JBPaulsen777 bets [$2].
    Hero calls [$2].
    ** Dealing River ** [ 4d ]
    JBPaulsen777 bets [$2].
    Hero calls [$2].

    Comments?

    Cheers,

    Mike

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    those call the raise then bet out on the turn bets boggle my mind. In my experience it is someone with Top pair weak kicker or middle pair making sure you ain't running a free card play on them.

    I would have raised the turn myself, he may have had something like KXc or QXc or even JTc and picked up a flush draw to go along with his cheese
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    I agree with Steve - you need to raise the turn here. If he just calls and then bets into you again on the river that is when you just call.
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    Neeed more responses.

    What do you guys do if he 3 bets after your turn raise. I could definitely see him doing that if he had JTc and perhaps even Kxc.

    Cheers,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naruto
    Neeed more responses.

    What do you guys do if he 3 bets after your turn raise. I could definitely see him doing that if he had JTc and perhaps even Kxc.

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    I agree with steve.

    If he three bets? - well, that is why I don't play a lot of holdem ring above .5/1, I am a call downer there.

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    If he Three bets, then you cap on the turn and you wait to see what he does on the river (although if he bets, you call)...the only hands you're worried about are KQ and trips...Both of those hands don't make since for the calling the flop bet, but betting out on the river (unless he's playing 55 which is highly unlikely). I still think you have him beat and you need to bet it out like you have him bet.

    Worse case, you lose the hand but get a good read on him based on what his hand is and how he played flop. I still think that he's put you on blind steal and he's probably holding Kx (weak kicker) or Qx (don't care about the kicker unless he's hit 2 pair on the turn)...Either way, I still think you need to bet this to find out where you are...And to let him know that you can't be pushed into becoming a calling station because somebody check/calls the flop but bets the turn when a non-scare card hits...

    You said you're worried about him 3 betting if he's on either the str8 or Flush draw...make him pay to see those extra cards...if he's on those draws, then you're ahead and anytime you jam the pot while you're a head is a good thing...if he sucks out on you then that's just bad luck...
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    seriously Naruto.. i think ur play here was fine.. it would probably be how i would have played it too..
    why? at this point when villian leads out on the turn.. u are either way ahead, or way behind at this point (he could have a set, or the made 2 pair - KQ)..

    so at this point if this guy is betting into you with nothing or a draw and u are way ahead, u should be glad that hes giving u action like that..so just calling is fine, u dont want to raise and push him out of the pot if hes trying to bluff...

    but if this guy has a set or a 2pair, then raising here on the turn will just make u lose even more money (if he 3bets u then dont know what to do and therefore probably just end up calling turn then calling river).. therefore u lose a total of 8 dollars on the turn + the river if he indeed holds a big hand.. If u dont raise, u will minimize ur loss on the turn + river to $4.

    But if hes trying to bluff you with the draw, then u will win the majority of the time anyways. So its not worth raising turn and risk losing the 8 dollars to the made hand - when u can just see the showdown for 4 dollars, and win the majority of the time if he was bluffing/semi-bluffing.
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    But if hes trying to bluff you with the draw, then u will win the majority of the time anyways. So its not worth raising turn and risk losing the 8 dollars to the made hand - when u can just see the showdown for 4 dollars, and win the majority of the time if he was bluffing/semi-bluffing
    nobody is folding a draw for 1 more bet at this point so you are value betting, he's going to call with all sorts of hands you can beat. there are very few hands that beat you, 22, 55, QQ, KQ, and KK are very unlikely due to the previous action but not out of the question, The only hands I fear here are KQ and 55 with AK being a possibility as well. If he has one of those hands so be it, you lose a couple of extra bets and learn some nice info on your opponent.

    His more likely holding is somethng like KJc, QJc, JTc, AQc or depending on the looseness of this guy even KXc or QXc.

    most people who get fancy by not capping the flop with a set or 2 pair are setting you up for a check-raise on the turn, not trying to bet into the aggressor. I think he hit a little something on the flop and picked up more outs on the turn.
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    Well ladies, I should prolly give you all the results.

    Sorry for slow response. Family visiting from out of town (some of whom I haven't seen in > 2 years), and Olympics, got in the way of my fun .

    Rather than type everything I was thinking about, I'll pretty much say that I was thinking what Eclipse typed.

    If he's on draw, and i call him, he's more likely to bluff on river than check/fold if he misses. Also if he's riding a weak kicker, then my raise might just give him enough of a reason to dump it.

    Also I didn't want to dump this hand to a 3 bet, knowing he could be playing with a strong draw.

    So what'd he have? Flopped set of 2s .

    Cheers

    PS. As for capping turn if he 3 bets... I don't think that's wise without the best of reads. 2 of the last 3 times I had 2 pair on turn, and it got capped, I was either drawing dead or very slim. The other time the guy was on a draw, and I knew it .

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