JJ in the SB, hows my line?

**Phytopath** · 02-12-2006

Converted by PokerGeek
Absolute Limit Hold'em Ring - $2/$4 Stakes (6 handed)

The BB in this hand was semi-loose, passive 37/4/0.4.

Preflop: Hero is Small blind with

4 folds[/color], Hero raises, Big blind calls

Flop: (4.00 SB)

,

(2 players)
Hero bets, Big blind calls

Turn: (3.00 BB)

(2 players)
Hero bets, Big blind calls

River: (5.00 BB)

(2 players)
Hero bets, Big blind calls

Final Pot: (7.00 BB)

**PJ of TheGame** · 02-12-2006

I hate it, but I check the turn. IF your hand is best here, you need to protect it, but it is highly doubtful that it is best.

I find that if the player is half decent, and there's an A on the board, they are only calling with SOMETHING. Most of the time that'll be A-x on this board.

**Trons** · 02-13-2006

I like it, more then likely you're best...BB could have put you on a steal and called down with almost anything...If he's a decent player and he had paired the A on the flop, he probably would have raised for infomation. I can't think of a single hand that beats you that a decent player wouldn't have raised with at some point in the hand...

**growlers** · 02-14-2006

Originally Posted by Trons

I like it, more then likely you're best...BB could have put you on a steal and called down with almost anything...If he's a decent player and he had paired the A on the flop, he probably would have raised for infomation. I can't think of a single hand that beats you that a decent player wouldn't have raised with at some point in the hand...

From the BB's perspective:
Well, to be honest I call down with any ace here in the BB in 6 max, assuming I didn't raise preflop (which I often would with any A against a first-in SB raise).
I find that in 6 max that the SB will continue to bet no matter what he has here and some of these 6 max people are so aggressive that they will reraise without the A anyway, so I don't feel like it really gets me information to raise and it will be hard for me to fold if reraised (which in full ring it wouldn't be as hard a decision). So I just call this down and bet if he checks at any point for value.

From Phyto's perspective:
But to answer the original post, I bet the turn and if I get called I check the river. All the cards are out, so there is no betting to protect your hand. The only hand that if you bet the river that calls you that you beat is 88/99/1010 and most BB would reraise those preflop. It is hard to believe a hand like Q10 calls you on the river unimproved. Hell, you may even pick off a river bluff from Q10 if you check.

So the bottom line is that I like how you played it but I don't see the point of the river bet.

**Phytopath** · 02-14-2006

well my thoughts on the hand were, I could make a value bet on the river he might be holding onto something like KQ that he may call with or have a small pocket 22,33, 66, 88,99 or TT.

The problem with checking the river is that he'll bet an A anyway or at least I assume he will. He also will wake up and think that his baby PP is good and throw a bet out.

My river thinking was that I was probably ahead and a value bet was in order, the alternative against a more aggressive player would have been to check the river and try to induce a bluff.

**slp** · 02-14-2006

i'm check/calling the river here

**Beavis68** · 02-14-2006

there is probably more value in better the river.he will call with a lot of hands he wouldnt bet that you still beat if you think he would so this with any pair and KQ.

**Aces-o-8s** · 02-14-2006

Originally Posted by Phytopath

m Ring - $2/$4 Stakes (6 handed)

The BB in this hand was semi-loose, passive 37/4/0.4.

Semi-loose @ 37%?? - what are the parameters for SL in a 6 max ring game?

Maybe I've been playing too many SnG tourneys lately but anybody who calls a pre-flop raiser with A-5-5 on the flop is likely sandbagging you. Possible he's on a inside str8 draw and I would bet the turn but the river is a check-call.

**Phytopath** · 02-14-2006

semi-loose in 6 max can be ~30-40% VPIP, with seeing alot of players over 40%. It is not uncommon to have good tables at 50% +VPIP at 2/4.

Most good players are somewhere between 20-30% VPIP at 6 max.

Anyway the dude called me down with 67, I dunno why he called the flop but thats what calling stations do.

**JBizzle00** · 02-14-2006

well id put money on it that he has an A. But maby im wrong and he had TT? But yeah i dont like JJ on that flop. I would definitly check/call the river, depending on the amount he bets out.

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