I've been reading in the probabilities section and I'm looking at the problem of the pocket pair vs. over cards.

Maybe I shouldn't admit this but when I get big slick in a late position, especially with limpers and maybe even with a small raise on a generally passive table, I try to buy or get heads up before the flop. Now I don't really worry about the straight of flush preflop, I kinda figure those odds at 50-50, it either happens or it doesn't. (nod to Beavis's "too many possibilities)

I find myself trying to figure the percentage chance of hitting on of those 6 outs that are left over the course of the entire board if someone calls and this is where I'm at...
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If after the flop


1 - (47-x)/47*(46-x(/46) = % chance of hitting either the turn or river

Then before the flop

1 - (50-x)/50*(49-x)/49*(48-x)/48*(47-x)/47*(46-x)/46 = % chance of hitting one of the five board cards
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See, I'm not really working on an exact percentage as a rule of thumb and I have this horrible obsession with proving things to myself, anyway, after reading and figuring and pointing and scratching and scribbling away my whole Friday night at this I thought I'd post it and see what anybody else had to say about it.

It's something I'm trying to figure for a rough base to work from and modify on the fly with the extra information I have that hand, suited overcards would pick up a little edge with the flush possibility, if 7 out of nine people had been in before the push I'd assume one or a couple or more of my outs were/are in their hands and so it had to be adjusted accordingly. That sort of thing.

anyway there it is for what it's worth.

try www.homepokergames.com/odds.php

No headaches -

Better yet: http://www.pokerforums.org/probabilities

But through all of that..... I'm not sure what you want? there is an odds chart posted somewhere on here, and I posted one (do a search) that is an Xcel sheet that actually shows the math in the formulas in the background.

the easiest way to figure it out is the chance you will not hit, turns multiple possibilities into 1

out of curiousity, why not just run it through pokerstove or some other sim and memorize the percentages? Makes it much easier