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Texas Hold'em $0.25-$0.25 NL (real money), hand #106,592,883
Table Keelung, 9 Feb 2006 09:37 PM
View Previous hand for this table.
Seat 1: shaenequa ($8.75 in chips)
Seat 2: taffydad ($51.50 in chips)
Seat 3: CHALKNO ($14.20 in chips)
Seat 4: mikeOH ($5 in chips)
Seat 5: Table Image ($14 in chips)
Seat 6: jmh_1 ($11.35 in chips)
Seat 8: MrMcj [10H,10S] ($27.50 in chips)
Seat 9: dryoda1969 ($5.25 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
shaenequa posts blind ($0.15), taffydad posts blind ($0.25).
PRE-FLOP
CHALKNO folds, mikeOH folds, Table Image calls $0.25, jmh_1 folds, MrMcj bets $1.50, dryoda1969 folds, shaenequa folds, taffydad folds, Table Image bets $4, MrMcj folds.
SHOWDOWN
Table Image wins $6.15.
SUMMARY
Dealer: dryoda1969
Pot: $6.15
shaenequa, loses $0.15
taffydad, loses $0.25
CHALKNO, loses $0
mikeOH, loses $0
Table Image, bets $4.25, collects $6.15, net $1.90
jmh_1, loses $0
MrMcj, loses $1.50
dryoda1969, loses $0
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Thread: The call-raise PF....???
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02-09-2006 #1Stu Ungar
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The call-raise PF....???
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02-10-2006 #2Poker Professional
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It usually means a very strong hand, but it COULD be a bluff. Typically a limp-reraise means AA or KK though.
I'm CDO. It's like OCD, but everying is in order just like it should be.
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02-10-2006 #3Stu Ungar
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Good. That's what I was thinking....hence the laydown.
Originally Posted by Girevik
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02-10-2006 #4Check Raiser
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I couldn't have made that laydown I don't think... but I think you were probably right on your read. That's why I don't play NL lol.
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02-10-2006 #5Poker Professional
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yeah, for sure this guy has AA or KK.. cuz i doubt this guy would try to bluff after u raised 6x the BB.. out of position..
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02-10-2006 #6Poker Expert
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You've got to figure he was slowplaying a high PP (a mistake IMO), but he was able to get the action he wanted and then moved in.
Ask yourself what other hands would justify limping, and then coming over the top when someone shows strength. If you are going to bluff and try to steal, you are going to lead out and pray no one is strong behind you, not wait for someone to show strength.
I can't even recall a time that I saw someone limp then re-raise and not show down either KK or AA.
It's real tough to pull of this bluff because the person who origially raised is most likely coming along for the ride making a bluff re-raise a costly proposition with minimal chance for taking the pot.
Of course if everyone thinks the way I do, then the bluff re-raise would win against all hands but KK or AA.......hmmm.
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With TT? Unless you're in the late stages of a tourney that's an EASY laydown to a push. Originally Posted by PJ of TheGame
I'm CDO. It's like OCD, but everying is in order just like it should be.
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02-10-2006 #8Poker Hustler
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Let's keep in mind that we're a collection of experience here. I personally can't remember anytime in a NL game (I only play NL tournaments) where somebody has limp/raised without AA. In a limit game, that's a different story (of course, you can do it in limit for a few different reasons most of which revolve around giving the original raiser a chance to Cap with the hopes that you can knock out a cold caller or two who acted after him but before you raised, or you want to force somebody between the two of you to cold call...but that's a completely different situation).
I don't know if the recreational player would see that as a power house hand. I say this because I think that it would usually make a bluff by an experienced person even more difficult. IE: we know it means power so we're going to lay down all but the most powerful of hands. A fish would probably just call, so if we're bluffing with JTs, odds are we're going to be in trouble. I don't think it would occure to a fish to make a bluff like that because they would have to realize that you're experienced and capable of laying a hand down.
Put all those things together and I believe the likelyhood of that move ever being a bluff are so slim that the times you caught it would never pay for the times you tried to catch it (as a bluff) and it wasn't...
Good laydown.Trons Originally Posted by Jason75
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02-10-2006 #9Stu Ungar
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See?! I'm getting there. Originally Posted by Trons
Thanks guys.
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02-10-2006 #10Check Raiser
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It wasn't a push... it was less then a 3X raise. Originally Posted by Girevik
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