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02-08-2006, 07:16 PM
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Stu Ungar
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Originally Posted by Mr.McJ
So many times I've been in this exact same situation, have made the call and gone broke. I'm trying to work on my big laydowns, easiestly the weakest part of my game, and I felt like this was a good one. There was no reason to suspect the villain in this case was playing junk because what little I did know about him indicated that he was a pretty solid player.
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Not in the exact same situation... Normaly you are the PF raiseror reraiser, and he is the caller. Very different situation!
Here he simply cant put you on KK or AA, and if he is a solid player as you said, he was probably defending his top pair VS what he thinks is a FD + over card.
Thats my read on you when I look at your play!
KJ
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Heck, I've seen people go nuts with middle pair!
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02-08-2006, 07:18 PM
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Stu Ungar
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if he went crazy like that with the nut, he should learn how to slow play!
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Where I play ($0.25 NL tables at pokerroom) this kind of thing is not uncommon.
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he raised 50BB and you are folding after you've invested 32BB already?? seriously man you need to call this. it's not like he's pushing for THAT much more. if he raises 125BB we'll talk about folding but definately not for 50BB more in a 65BB pot
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I didn't think of it that way.....ugh.
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02-08-2006, 07:19 PM
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Stu Ungar
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ALL RIGHT! ALL RIGHT!!! BAD FOLD!!!
*runs away crying*
And here I was all proud of myself for laying down As for probably the first time. |
02-08-2006, 07:23 PM
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Stu Ungar
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ALL RIGHT! ALL RIGHT!!! BAD FOLD!!!
*runs away crying*
And here I was all proud of myself for laying down As for probably the first time. |
LOL
Not a big deal, you will have more rockets!!!
It means 2 things:
1. Always raise and reraise PF with AA
2. Stop working on your laydowns...you can make huge ones!!! 
KJ
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Originally Posted by Girevik
Heck, I've seen people go nuts with middle pair!
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02-08-2006, 07:59 PM
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think about how he percieved your hand preflop. hes definantly not putting you on a strong preflop hand.
he paired the flop at best. easy call.
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02-08-2006, 11:17 PM
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its okay man
just remember that all we are doing is adding constructive criticism.
live & lern i say
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02-09-2006, 12:37 AM
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Originally Posted by bboy
he could have also had QT, 62, AK like any 25NL player which makes this a fairly easy call
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they aren't pushing w/ that here. i've played a lot of 25 nl they don't raise unless they are very strong.
that said, i would've insta-called this, but probably wouldn't feel too great about it. he's prob 66/77 (less likely but possible) QQ/KK/AQ/AA (much more likely). and yes they are fruity enough to raise w/ 66/77 pf there.
you put yourself in a very bad spot the way you played the hand pf
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02-09-2006, 12:51 AM
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this is an easy call here imo.. first of all the only hand that has u beat is pocket queens (if he has 66 or 77 he probably wont be raising pf).. if he has pocket queens hes not betting the flop.. furthermore, if he does have pocket queens, he definately would not have re-raised ur raise.. most likely he would have called and then value betted the turn and the river.. so im guessing this guy most likely got AQ, KK, or AKs with the flush draw.
i think u shoulda called, because the range of hands that u beat here greatly outweighs the range of hands u dont..
AKs, AQ, KQ, KK vs QQ
thats 4 hands that u beat and 1 that ur drawing a 2 outer too.
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02-09-2006, 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr.McJ
I'm trying to work on my big laydowns, easiestly the weakest part of my game, and I felt like this was a good one.
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In SSH, Ed Miller makes a point that is a bit less valid in NL, but still applies. He says that the "big laydown" is overrated, and that the biggest mistake you can make is laying down the best hand; much more so than making a bad call (or course in NL that depends on the size of the bet). When you make a bad call, you lose the amount of that bet, but when you make a bad fold you lose the entire pot.
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02-09-2006, 06:55 AM
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Just to join in the finger-pointing....
I put him on KK there,
And dodgy laydown aside, what's wrong with a reraise preflop?
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