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MP1 (t380)
MP2 (t1745)
CO (t1375)
Hero (t3965)
SB (t1645)
BB (t2560)
UTG (t3330)
Preflop: Hero is Button with,
.
4 folds, Hero raises to t150, 1 fold, BB calls t100.
I felt a 3bb raise would be enough to push them off their crap hands and anybody who stayed may have a decent hand...I'd only raised on other hand where I ended up AI against 2 other people...I had KK on that one too and won...
Flop: (t325),
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(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t300, BB calls t300.
the A bothered me on the flop seeings as it is likely that BB would have stayed with Ax. I figured about a pot sized bet would take away odds on the FD (BB had been playing fairly solid) and a call would probably convince me I'm beat...
Turn: (t925)(2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.
Didn't see any reason to bet this. I feel I'm beat by the A on the flop.
River: (t925)(2 players)
BB bets t150, Hero calls t150.
I felt I had a little over 6:1 odds...I felt there was a chance he could have called down with something goofy and those odds were enough to see...
Final Pot: t1225
Results in white below:
Hero has Ks Kh (one pair, kings).
BB has Kc Ah (one pair, aces).
Outcome: BB wins t1225.
Ok...I'm sure the first comments are going to be raise more PF...I'd watched the SB and the BB closely to see what kind of bets they were folding to PF (not knowing their cards) and both were playing fairly tight. They both had reason to respect a raise by me and I figured I could play this a little slower...
My main question is...even though I had a read on BB should I have called that river bet based on the 6:1 odds alone, or should I have trusted my read and folded...thereby possibly enhancing the idea I may have been on a steal.
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Thread: KK on the button
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02-08-2006 #1Poker Hustler
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KK on the button
Last edited by Trons; 02-08-2006 at 12:13 PM.
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Originally Posted by Jason75
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02-08-2006 #2Poker Hustler
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I call for the 6 -1 odds. With the way he played it he could have easily been playing QJs or KQs. The odds are too good to fold a potential winner and your stack is still huge after the call.
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02-08-2006 #3Poker Hustler
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Im folding on the river here and making it look like im on a steal, although in both ways it could work for you on future hands. If you look like your on a steal now then they will call your preflop raises more and also try to bluff you on the river more - which is good - even better when you have a hand to call them down with. Originally Posted by Trons
If you call then they know they can check down TPTK, against you and induce you into a call on the river - which ultimately takes your chips since well you dont have Top pair and are beaten by any ace.
There was a similar situation in a turbo where I had QQ it came xxK, 2 others in the pot I bet out 100 a small bet, they both called, turn came another blank, I bet 100 they called again, river came blank - well they were all low cards... someone bet 200 I folded and the winner showed JJ... Not that I didnt have a read on him, but I fully expected a king - its a difficult situation in a pot like this but from the preflop raise you MUST expect an ace...especially after he check calls your flop bet.
I admit he could be on a branch of whole other hands but thats the situation that arises when your fearing an overcard pair to your strong starting pair - 6 to 1 isnt bad odds to call, but im saving my chips...
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02-08-2006 #4Banned
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He's going to have an ace most of the time there, but I think you played it right and didn't lose any more chips than you needed to. The river call keeps him honest and wins you the odd time he has a pocket pair he's overattached to.
The only thing I'd add is that the size of the preflop bet is dependant on your previous hands with the blinds. Have you been caught stealing previously or have you only shown strength when open raising from the button? The size of the raise might vary if they'd seen you steal with big overbets or seen you make small raises with strength, but 3xbb looks good to me as a default.
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02-08-2006 #5Poker Hustler
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I hadn't done any stealing in this tourney. I maybe wrong, but usually when the blinds are small (especially in SnGs) I usually don't steal that much. I do some stealing in MTTs but since in the SnG's I usually have either a big stack (somebody who will call based on odds alone) or a small stack (somebody who's likely to push with crap but a slightly better hand) to my left. I try to play it str8 up and wait for the hands.
I tend to use 10:1 odds to call in a ring game on the off chance he could be bluffing...for tournaments I lowered that to 6:1 because there tends to be more of it.Trons Originally Posted by Jason75
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02-08-2006 #6PokerForums God
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Looks good to me.
There is a chance I may check to flop and then bet the turn if he checks, but these are very situational.
With the way he played it he could have QJ or KQ as often as Ax.
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02-08-2006 #7Check Raiser
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You're giving the BB 2-1 odds to call, which is unprofitable against your hand no matter what he has except for AA.
The way you played it after the flop was fine... you know you're probably beaten, and you know there's almost nothing you can do to win there. Lots of people get stacked every time they get outflopped with a premium hand... just understand that you're going to lose sometimes no matter what you've got, and when you do to just accept it.
I like the call on the river... you know you're probably beat, but you win way more then 15% of the time here.-You may not know this, but poker is a game of incomplete information.
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