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Old 02-06-2006, 08:45 PM
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If you're in the small blind, what kind of odds do you need to call with anything?
For example, if I'm in the small blind w/ 73 suited, am getting 11 to 1 on my money and am 99% sure that the BB is going to check, should I call?
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Old 02-07-2006, 07:40 AM
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If you're a profitable player with extremely marginal hands then go ahead and call. If middle pair crap kicker tends to cost you your stack, then fold.
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I'll play anything suited from the sb wtih a few limpers. 73o I'd throw away no matter what.
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am 99% sure that the BB is going to check
this is what bothers me most of the time when I have the 73s in the SB. cuz first off, i hate completing if i THINK BB will check. if he doesnt, then i just wasted some $. and then i think to myself, ok, so what if the BB checks. what if the flop 3 T J? i'll most likely fold to any kind of betting anyway. and what if the flop brings 2 of your suits? am I going to call a bet hoping to get a LOW flush? what if there is a higher flush draw? then i'm pretty screwed.

i'll usually always lay down the 73suited's.
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Old 02-07-2006, 08:31 AM
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this is what bothers me most of the time when I have the 73s in the SB. cuz first off, i hate completing if i THINK BB will check. if he doesnt, then i just wasted some $. and then i think to myself, ok, so what if the BB checks. what if the flop 3 T J? i'll most likely fold to any kind of betting anyway. and what if the flop brings 2 of your suits? am I going to call a bet hoping to get a LOW flush? what if there is a higher flush draw? then i'm pretty screwed.

i'll usually always lay down the 73suited's.
But what if the flop comes 33x7x? I know the odds of that are something like a billion to 1 but you could potentially make a killing when it does.
Anyone know if something like this would be + or - EV?
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But what if the flop comes 33x7x? I know the odds of that are something like a billion to 1 but you could potentially make a killing when it does.
Anyone know if something like this would be + or - EV?

I'm not the math guy, but the hand is still most likely -Ev. Think of all the times when you fold the flop (-1 SB), Hit low on the flop and call a bet to see the turn (-2 SB), Get bottom 2 Pair that loses on the turn (-2 to -6 BB) and so on. Your only good flops are 33x ,77x, ddx (still can be beat by a bigger flush), or 37x. Anything else is highly suspect. Even ddd isn't a good flop because the only callers are those that are beating your flush or drawing to a higher one. That situation isnt going to be very profitable.

I fold 73 suited unless the game is very shorthanded.
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Hell, If there was an EP limper an d nobody else, I can raise it up too. This will usually get the BB to fold, and the EP *usually* calls, then a blank flop I can bet out and they will usually fold. Of course they, could have AA and it all backfire.

I also play very loose to a LP raise if hes first in, I'll play 56s+, getting 2.5-1 is fair enough against a possible steal, then a CR on the flop if it seems they can lay it down.

Then if it's a family pot, Just about any 1 gap Connectors or better is playable for me. 5 in, 11-1 or better is sufficient odds for almost all but the worst crap.
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But what if the flop comes 33x7x? I know the odds of that are something like a billion to 1 but you could potentially make a killing when it does.
You sorta answered your own question. The odds of it happening are slim, and you said that you could potentially make a killing when it does.. So even if you hit a hidden monster flop like that, you still have to hope villians will give you action.

-EV IMO.
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I guess that's the general consensus. It just seems strange to not call $0.10 on the $0.25 tables when you're getting +11 to 1 on your money.
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73o I'd throw away no matter what.

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