This was posted in an unnamed other forum...just posting here to get a consensus....

Honestly, i just want to see how many of you guys here agree with me. as far as I know, this is a completely hypothetical hand.... and you should assume that everyone involved (not counting the hero, who will be you) are somewhat strong players.

You are dealt KsKc and you are the big blind. The blinds are 100/200 and you have $20,000 in chips. Three players call the big blind and the player in late position raises it to $600. Small blind folds and you re-raise to $2,000. Everyone folds except for the player in late position who calls (let's call him Ed). The flop comes:

Kh Qh 8s

You bet $5,000 and Ed calls. The turn:

9c

You bet $8,000 and Ed calls. The River:

10h

What do you do now? Do you check or bet? Or are you like me and see flaws in "Hero's" play from the flop forward? Just wondering what you guys think of this. If you see flaws in hero's post flop play, please specify what it was, and what you would have done. Also, if you don't mind answering the question as is first, that'd be great also.

I think the hero played it fine the whole hand. He bet about 75% of the pot each street, not enough to give odds for anything, and he protected his hand against the draws. Maybe a slightly bigger PF raise, but thats debatable, and without knowing the tables tendencies, Unanswerable.

Since we can assume that "ed" is a strong player, that means we can assume That he won't call against odds to a draw. Therefore We should push for our last $5k on the river. Pot is already 30k, so Our bet is only for value. But that, of course, is assuming alot. We could use a little more info on 'ed'. If this is a cash game, I'm pretty sure that the "hero" should be keeping some good book on the entire table that could help influence our decisions.

What do I do? I check/call the river.

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Well, My only beef is if you're playing to win teh pot, i think he should have pushed in on the turn. I would put "ed" on a flush draw, maybe a straight draw.. i'd want to pick up the pot right there.

a good reason to push the turn is the pot size. He is pretty stuck on the river no matter what, he only had 5k left now. But his play isnt wrong.

on this river, you either make a defensive bet, or you check.... or maybe you bluff like a maniac and hope he dosn't have J or hearts.

i check. depending on what his bet looks like on river i may call. if he has skill, he will bet hard, and i fold.

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Id pay the last 5k to see a showdown, then be majorly annoyed if he has a jack or hearts...

say he has hearts. the flop pot is $6400+$5000 bet. giving pot odds of 44%. implied odds are maybe $10,000, total pot odds of 30% , but the odds to get the flush on the turn (and avoid the $8k bet) is probably just under 20%... say he makes a bad call. Then the pot is $24,400 , plus implied odds of $2500 (say theres a 50% chance the showdown comes from an all in), giving total pot odds of 30% again. The chance of a flush on the river is again about 20%, so again its a bad call.

However, JJ is quite an obvious candidate for that pre flop action... 3*BB raise then a cold call (as in, nothing that great but something pretty decent... Id say a bad call because with your bet its facing a 2 outer to improve or 2 suited overcards).

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You don't have any choice on the river except to get your chips in. Maybe check and hope your opponent bets... but your chips are going in. (I say you'd rather have your opponent bet because he will bet with more hands that you can beat then he will call with that you can beat)

If you honestly think that folding a 35,000 pot for a 5,000 bet on the river with top set is ever a good play without your oponent accidentily exposing his cards, you're a far better man then I.

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haha easy hand.. i value bet this on the river, knowing that i have the best hand.. looks like he has QQ here.. cuz the only hands that would cold call a re-raise pf is AK or QQ.
if he has AK he would have raised on the flop.. so his play here looks like he has QQ..

on the river, im not worried about the straight or the flush at all... why?
he raised pf, then called a re-raise from someone that re-raised out of position (means that the person that re-raised out of position MUST have a strong hand).
If he has the straight, then he has either AJ, JJ or 10J.. AJ or 10J would not have called a re-raise PF.. JJ would not have called the flop bet..
if he has any 2 suited cards preflop, then he has AKs, but since theres a K on the flop.. he has at most 1 heart in his hand - therefore he has no flush. AJs of hearts would not have called a that PF re-raise.

easy. All in. before he does. if he bets all in your going to call it because of teh size of the pot so you may as well stick all your chips in and hope he folds or shows 88 ;-)