Another hand, need advice.

**Raise420** · 02-06-2006

Seat 1: Raise420 (6600 in chips)
Seat 2: AngelGarciaM (1420 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 3: chipjr10 (7550 in chips)
Seat 4: jazron (685 in chips)
Seat 5: jr2904 (1600 in chips)
Seat 6: Tony_of_AK (915 in chips)
Seat 7: messyballers (1410 in chips)
Seat 8: rcross (970 in chips)
Seat 9: Doo|3ie (5850 in chips)
jr2904: posts small blind 10
Tony_of_AK: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Raise420 [Jh Ks]
Doo|3ie said, "hell of a hand"
messyballers: folds
jr2904 said, "ty"
Doo|3ie said, "strait flush"
rcross: calls 20
Doo|3ie: raises 30 to 50
Raise420: calls 50
AngelGarciaM: folds
chipjr10: folds
jazron: raises 635 to 685 and is all-in
jr2904: folds
Tony_of_AK: folds
rcross: folds
Doo|3ie: calls 635
chipjr10 is sitting out
Raise420: calls 635
*** FLOP *** [JavaScript 6s 6d]
chipjr10 has returned
Doo|3ie: checks
Raise420: bets 1000
Doo|3ie: raises 1000 to 2000
Raise420: calls 1000
*** TURN *** [JavaScript 6s 6d] [4c]
Doo|3ie: bets 3000
Raise420: calls 3000
*** RIVER *** [JavaScript 6s 6d 4c] [5c]
Doo|3ie: bets 165 and is all-in
Raise420: calls 165
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Doo|3ie: shows [Jc Jd] (a full house, Jacks full of Sixes)
Raise420: shows [Jh Ks] (two pair, Jacks and Sixes)
Doo|3ie collected 10330 from side pot
jazron: shows [Tc 8c] (a pair of Sixes)
Doo|3ie collected 2105 from main pot
Raise420 said, "wow, nh"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 12435 Main pot 2105. Side pot 10330. | Rake 0
Board [JavaScript 6s 6d 4c 5c]
Seat 1: Raise420 showed [Jh Ks] and lost with two pair, Jacks and Sixes
Seat 2: AngelGarciaM folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: chipjr10 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: jazron (button) showed [Tc 8c] and lost with a pair of Sixes
Seat 5: jr2904 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: Tony_of_AK (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: messyballers folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: rcross folded before Flop
Seat 9: Doo|3ie showed [Jc Jd] and won (12435) with a full house, Jacks full of Sixes

What did I do wrong here besides raising way to much flop?
thanks.

**Girevik** · 02-06-2006

Why are you calling an almost 14BB bet pre flop with KJo? That's your biggest mistake - I probably fold it to the first raise, let alone to a reraise and a call.

**tightagressive** · 02-06-2006

horrible call preflop.

**The Real DeCoy** · 02-06-2006

Originally Posted by Girevik

Why are you calling an almost 14BB bet pre flop with KJo? That's your biggest mistake - I probably fold it to the first raise, let alone to a reraise and a call.

^^you read wrong. He first called 50 (2.5xBB). Still ugly to play, but with that stack I may want to peek the flop. When the other guy goes all in for 635 you need to fold your garbage.

You only think you played this ok because the other guy had ppJ. More often than not, you're still losing this hand based on the betting to AJ as well.

Have you read HoH 1 & 2? If not you should. Harrington's consistent theme in both books is that you should always try to position your decisions where they will be the easiest. Once youre in t635 with KJo you're bound to make poor decisions afterward. Thats why you donked on down to the river. If you folded this hand in the first place you would still be in fine position. Instead you're left with t150 and your dick in your hand.

**ypsieast** · 02-06-2006

We all like to see a flop with KJ. Calling the raise was OK. Calling the all-in would be a marginal play at best. You are almost surely an underdog. Do you expect anything less than Ax or pocket pair?
But you aren't just calling a short stack all-in. There is another caller. You are no doubt a huge underdog against 2 opponents.
Then, after the flop, you just fell in love with TPGK. Board reads J66 and he checkraises your big bet. What did you put him on? Here's your biggest mistake... you played your hand and didn't put him on a hand! He likely has trip 6s, set of JavaScript, AA, KK, QQ or AJ. And of these you can still only beat AJ and QQ if a K hits the turn or river.
The only thing you have beat is Jx (worse kicker), flush draw, pocket pair T or less. Unless you read him as a terrible player, these hands are highly unlikely. Would he have called the all-in PF or check raised the flop with these marginal hands?
To summarize:
1) KJ is a big underdog against an all-in and a call.
2) TPGK probably isn't good enough after getting check raised.
3) Now he comes out with a big bet on the turn.... run away fast!

It looks like you were doing well in this tourney. You can't throw it all away, falling in love with this hand. Eliminate these types of mistakes and you will improve greatly.

**Beavis68** · 02-06-2006

I hate seening flops with KJo

Give me a stomach ache just thinking about it.

**Aces-o-8s** · 02-06-2006

Ypsieast - that was a good post - clearly explained with sufficent detail for a newbie to grasp the ideas being presented.

welcome to the forum.

**gder03** · 02-06-2006

dude, both your call preflop are bad. When calling he 600 do you think your hand is favored here?? Also, calling like that leaves you naked, other pl behind you can re-raise. FOLD

**Girevik** · 02-07-2006

Originally Posted by The Real DeCoy

^^you read wrong. He first called 50 (2.5xBB).

What did I read wrong? He first called the 50, then jazron made the 14BB bet and he called that as well - granted he had some money it the pot so he "only" called 13ish of that.

I still say both calls were poor. Granted KJ is a hand you want to see a flop with, but if you get a raise in early position (unless your opponents are morons), thats the type of hand that has an excellent chance of being dominated. To call the all-in, especially after the original raiser has alrady called, is just horrible IMO.

**PowerfulRog** · 02-07-2006

Preflop = Fold

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