PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (8 handed) converter

UTG (t3240)
UTG+1 (t1410)
MP1 (t1400)
MP2 (t1610)
CO (t1420)
Button (t1490)
Hero (t2930)
BB (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is SB with , .
UTG calls t30, UTG+1 calls t30, 2 folds, CO calls t30, Button calls t30, Hero raises to t150, 1 fold, UTG calls t120, UTG+1 folds, CO calls t120, Button calls t120.

Flop: (t660) , , (4 players)
Hero bets t240, UTG raises to t480, CO calls t480, Button folds, Hero ???.

Ok, Table was a typical $3 SnG table...UTG had recently played KTo identically PF and won against QQ when a K came on the flop. Because of this I gave him a better then average chance (call it 75%) that he had a K or Q and the fact that CO called a bet and a raise with the PF and post flop aggressor yet to act told me he had to have at least a K or a OESD.

I'm thinking this is one of those situations where I was advised to not make a continuation bet, but since I made it, what's my move now?

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Fold the hand and move on.

Clear fold for me. You have plenty of chips left still.

Player 1 has called a preflop raise and then raised a flop bet by the raise

Player 2 has called a preflop raise and cold called a raise on the flop

The likelihood of neither of these players having a K or Q is pretty small. You can try to represent AA or trips and push all in as a bluff, but what if one of them does have KK/QQ or KQ? Also they have 1/3 of their stack in already so one will almost certainly call even with Kx.

I would wait for a better spot.

Don't get a boner for JJ first of all. The hand is as good as 88.

Preflop, you really didn't do anything wrong, but remeber to vary your play. In the SB with 4 callers, you are not getting them all to fold with 5x the BB. If I want them all to fold here Id go 3x plus 1x for every caller, so you're looking at 7x at the least. If this were me I would have just completed the SB and looked to hit a clean flop or a monster. You know that with 4 calling your huge raise At least two of em hit the flop. You're a sunken ship.

Don't do a continuation bet into a nasty flop with 5 players. Check and see if the others bet small enough for you to see the turn card. Get your J there and then they get jacked there.

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There is over 50% chance that at least one overcard will hit the flop. Being out of position, I would play this like a middle/low pair (actually, it is a middle pair). See the flop and bet if there are no overs, check/fold to the overs.
If you were in better position, I would agree with the standard raise and a continuation bet if noone bet the flop.
Facing the reraise, this is a no brainer fold.

Fold. PF raise should have been higher to try to win pot right now.


fold that flop. With 3 others in there you are beaten.

Continuation bet was a mistake. Fold now and cut your losses.

I agree, why are you betting into the field.

Check and see what they do. Get information cheaply.

Well, JJ is still 3 pair better than 88 but still domiated by AA,KK,QQ.
From the SB or BB however, position is at its worse and DeCoy's recommended play certain has its advantages - especially in a tourney where chip counts are all important. In most $3 SnG I play, the trap play is extremely common and JJ from the blinds lends itself nicely to a trap if you hit (or the board is all rags) and an easy fold if you miss and it doesn't get you committed to the pot either with investment or emotional attachment that you might get from a large pf raise.

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (8 handed) converter

UTG (t3240)
UTG+1 (t1410)
MP1 (t1400)
MP2 (t1610)
CO (t1420)
Button (t1490)
Hero (t2930)
BB (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is SB with , .
UTG calls t30, UTG+1 calls t30, 2 folds, CO calls t30, Button calls t30, Hero raises to t150, 1 fold, UTG calls t120, UTG+1 folds, CO calls t120, Button calls t120.

Flop: (t660) , , (4 players)
Hero bets t240, UTG raises to t480, CO calls t480, Button folds, Hero folds.

Turn: (t1860) (2 players)
UTG bets t90, CO calls t90.

River: (t2040) (2 players)
UTG bets t30, CO calls t30.

Final Pot: t2100

Results in white below:
UTG has Ts Kh (one pair, kings).
CO has Ad Qh (one pair, queens).
Outcome: UTG wins t2100.

Ok, I folded the J's but wanted reassurance that it was the right move because the J fell on the turn we focus on the play here, not what the results would have been.

btw, I was varying my play here a little. I usually just limp with these when I'm going to be out of position or if my M is super low and I'm first in...The continuation bet was something I've tried to convince myself I don't need to make on the flop IF I did raise PF. I always feels this indicates weakness (which in this case I was weak compared to the flop). I also feel this opens the pot for a steal from somebody else when they bet into me and I have no idea where I'm at because I didn't put in the continuation bet.

In this pot, I picked an amount for a continuation bet that I thought was reasonably significat to show I wasn't playing around, but not so much I was crippled if I had to let the hand go to a strong reraise.

My biggest fear was that people would have said I needed to call that reraise because it was a min reraise (not indicating strength) from somebody known to be loose from EP.

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You shouldn't focus on results, but in this case they do matter a bit. Had you not put in a continuation bet and checked instead, you would have gotten a chance to see the action in front of you. With the UTG betting and CO calling you would have most likley had the odds to call the flop bet and then you would have caught a monster on the turn. Its also possible that UTG would have bet only a 1/3 to 1/2 the pot or checked because he knew his hand was solid and the flop was not scary at all for him.

Basically, don't worry about PF too much, but your flop continuation bet was inappropriate.

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