
02-04-2006, 10:04 AM
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How bad was this?
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (9 handed) converter
SB (t1310)
BB (t1410)
UTG (t25)
UTG+1 (t2625)
Hero (t1660)
MP2 (t1470)
MP3 (t1120)
CO (t4050)
Button (t1330)
Preflop: Hero is MP1 with  ,  .
UTG calls t25 (All-In), 1 fold, Hero calls t50, MP2 calls t50, 1 fold, CO calls t50, Button calls t50, SB completes, BB checks.
Not usually my starting hand and position, but this table had been unusually tight/passive with a couple getting agressive after the flop...I've seen people limp with QQ and JJ from LP. I figured I would be able to see a cheap flop.
Flop: (t325)  ,  , (7 players, 1 all-in)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets t300, MP2 folds, CO folds, Button raises to t600, SB folds, BB folds, Hero raises to t1610, Button calls t680 (All-In).
Ok, A low flush...I can handle that. I figured about a pot sized bet would A) take away odds for somebody to draw to a higher flush, and B) tell me where I was at in the hand. depending on who did what would give me far more information then checking and giving somebody the chance to bluff at the pot...
The button had been super agressive. I had seen him try to steal the pot (with mixed success) several times. Checking the HH showed that he would raise what he felt was weakness with crap just to test people. The hands he lost at showdown were people calling him down.. Of course, these are hands he showed down and not the pots he won without a showdown. I'd seen him raise into a 4 card str8 board with middle pair. I gave him about a 25% chance of already having a better flush, a 25% chance of having a FD and 50% chance of having a hand that was completely dominated. With the all-in, I put him on 75% chance he would fold (if he had anything but the higher flush). I figured if he had the higher flush, I was just doomed...
Turn: (t3215) (3 players, 2 all-in)
River: (t3215) (3 players, 2 all-in)
Final Pot: t3215
Results in white below:
UTG has 2c Kc (high card, king).
Hero has 5h 4h (flush, ten high).
Button has Ts Qh (one pair, tens).
Outcome: Hero wins t3215.
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02-04-2006, 10:14 AM
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With only 30 some bb's, 54s is a little weak for me to be playing. I know I profess playing loose and cheap, but thats a little loose, and not so cheap. BUT, we played, and we hit, and we can't be scared here, this is a situation to double up, and you got an aggy fish to do it for you.... good move.
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02-04-2006, 10:24 AM
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one of the worst call (all-in's) i've seen.. was this guy hoping the board would flush.. lol
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02-04-2006, 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Marm
With only 30 some bb's, 54s is a little weak for me to be playing. I know I profess playing loose and cheap, but thats a little loose, and not so cheap. BUT, we played, and we hit, and we can't be scared here, this is a situation to double up, and you got an aggy fish to do it for you.... good move.
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Marm, I would agree with you normally. I've been trying (in my tournament play) to adjust my play to the table. If I'm at a table where people are gambling and throwing chips around, I play uber tight and wait for the hands. If I'm at a table where everybody is limping, but no serious betting or raising going on, then I loosen up and try to either hit or steal pots...This is supported by the chipstack sizes and the amount of people left when we got to the third round.
I'm trying to, when I post these HHs, to give you my impression of the table, the read I have on my opponents, and my thoughts when I was in the hand. I always post the hands right after they happen (while the tournament is still going on) so that I remember everything fairly accurately. Obviously, the odds of this exact situation happening again is so slim that it's not worth remember advice for a specific situation. I feel it's my thought process and abilty to read other players and their bets that I need to improve.
Since very few people are actually watching the table for a length of time during play, commenting on my read probably isn't helpful because my read can't be deduced as correct or incorrect by one hand. Therefore, assuming my read is correct, it's my judgement in playing the hand that I'm looking for comments on.
I guess the question would be, in this particular hand, give the table conditions, was I right or wrong to limp with low suited connectors. Once that move has been made, was I right or wrong to play back at the opponent.
I usually don't post HHs where I've lost the hand because I usually decide my read was off and I played based on that wrong read. I've been trying to work on my reads. The HHs I post for comments are the ones I've won, but given my reads (which I try to post) did I play the hand correctly. I'm hoping given time and practice, I'll get much better at reading people, so if I can correct the way I play against specific types of people now (while I'm still learning) I won't create any bad habits that are next to impossible to break.
I went into this long post to explain the fact that I don't get upset if I get negative comments. I'm looking for constructive feedback and I appreciate all the feed back I get. I'm trying to improve my play and "dream" of the day when I can post several HHs in a row where the only comments are "You played that awsome" or some such crap 
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02-04-2006, 11:39 AM
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Regardless of the read, IMHO, 45s is a littel weak in this position to be limping with this chip stack... And I mean borderline, 78s I'm in, 67s, I hesitate, 45s I probably fold.... Even with a loose and passive table.. I think its very borderline... But as you said you may have ahad a read on the table, and If you felt you had good (read awesome) implied odds to pull this move (which is what my style is based on), then you did fine....
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02-04-2006, 03:51 PM
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well, I wouldn't say I had an awsome read on the table. I basically felt comfortable limping with the knowledge that A) The pot wouldn't be raised PF, and B) if it was raised, I could fold the hand easily. After the limp, I felt warm and fuzzy in my read of the opponent...which is why I pulled the move I pulled.
That's probably more the basis of posting. Given my read, should I have pushed or should I have folded to his raise? If neither pushing or folding, should I call and do what?
I think we can all agree that limping with this hand is a very marginal move. I felt comfortable with it because of my chipstack and the fact that the table had been super LP, that's a serious judgement call. After the flop, given my read (again a judgement call I guess), but should I have played it that way?
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