I value call here on the river... Its a new bettor leading out, so we really can't figure out what he's got. I call and expect to lose, but its only got to work 1 in 6 times to turn a profit......

I fold that PF...if I wanted to play it PF, I fold it on the flop.

You have a PF raiser from MP that says he has a hand...It's a wider range then usual because he's opening the pot, but it's safe to give him credit for an A when the flop hits...at that point, unless you have a great read otherwise, your only draw is to the inside str8 and you don't have the odds for that...

when the str8 hits, I would have raised and kept raising. You might be beaten by the flush, but since the flush draw didn't hit till the turn I wouldn't put anybody on the FD so I figure them for TPMK or 2 pair...

PF - In a loose game I would probably play this for one more bet in the BB.

Flop - inside str8 draw with MP2 bet giving me 9:1 pot odds - close enough to peel off one more card but if it misses I'm done with this hand.

Turn - my how generous of MP to give a free card - I'll take that!

River - wow - made the str8 but that 3rd club is a bit scary! I'll call but not raise and hope MP and Button only call also. Do I call a re-raise? No - if re-raised by MP or Button I have to figure either they or the SB has the flush.

Originally Posted by Aces-o-8s

PF - In a loose game I would probably play this for one more bet in the BB.

Flop - inside str8 draw with MP2 bet giving me 9:1 pot odds - close enough to peel off one more card but if it misses I'm done with this hand.

Turn - my how generous of MP to give a free card - I'll take that!

River - wow - made the str8 but that 3rd club is a bit scary! I'll call but not raise and hope MP and Button only call also. Do I call a re-raise? No - if re-raised by MP or Button I have to figure either they or the SB has the flush.

Yeah that free card is a puzzling move....I dont really understand why he didnt just bet the Ace he obviously had. The only other thing I would think is that maybe he had like A-2, and made a fullhouse. But then why would he raise Preflop with A-2? I agree with calling the one bet to see the turn.

I dont think I would have folded to a re-raise on the river though. With the made straight I would assume that I had won. It seems to me that most of time I dont see people chase the runner runner club draw.

Originally Posted by KRE8R

I dont think I would have folded to a re-raise on the river though. With the made straight I would assume that I had won. It seems to me that most of time I dont see people chase the runner runner club draw.

You don't see people chasing runner-runner flush draws????? Man, at the low tables on PokerStars it's a given!!!! AND they don't need pot odds to justify the chase either!!!!!!!!!!!

And with the crazy odds on the flop and the free card, it's easy to back into it.

I definantly fold preflop, and I raise the river. Remember the goal of betting the river... either to make a better hand fold, or a worse hand call. You're clearly not making any better hands fold, and if someone has one, you're paying them 2 bets.

So are there enough hands that will pay you here to outweigh the flush and the boat costing you an extra bet? Sure there are... 3 broadway cards leads to LOTS of two pair/high pair situations. Very rarely is someone going to fold for one bet here with a decent hand, so you know you'll get paid if the better has anything, and you'll usually get a call or two from the other players as well.