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Old 02-03-2006, 09:27 AM
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I put him on a blind steal, and was fairly confident he didnt have anything on that flop since with him raising nearly half his stack, he could of easily had something like AK,AQ,KQ its quite common in these tournaments - ive knocked quite a few people out of tournaments playing this way, I didnt think my call was fishy since I already had contributed to the pot and like I said I thought he was on a steal.

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MP1 (t2255)
MP2 (t1900)
CO (t1455)
Button (t1095)
SB (t490)
Hero (t3535)
UTG (t1180)
UTG+1 (t1590)

Preflop: Hero is BB with , .
5 folds, Button raises to t450, 1 fold, Hero calls t300.

Flop: (t975) , , (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets t300, Hero raises to t750, Button calls t345 (All-In).

Turn: (t2370) (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t2370) (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t2370

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Old 02-03-2006, 09:48 AM
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well, not sure how it turned out, but if I'm going to play against a blind steal, i like to at least have a decent hand...with the stack sizes, he could have easily been going for a blind steal, but it's been my experience (look at my posted HHs to decide how my weight you want to give this) that they usually have an Ax to start the steal. I feel there is a good chance he may have had you beat going into the flop and that could have carried onto the flop...there is also a chance that he actually had a hand and set his bet to look like a blind steal. Easier to get calls that way...
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Old 02-03-2006, 09:52 AM
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The blind isnt worth protecting with this hand and it represents less than 5% of your stack. Let it go. With 8 players out there someone probably has a hand worth playing.
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Old 02-03-2006, 09:55 AM
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The blind isnt worth protecting with this hand and it represents less than 5% of your stack. Let it go. With 8 players out there someone probably has a hand worth playing.
Its three handed when he originally makes the raise - he makes the shortstack fold and then its whether I have anything halfdecent to call with....
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Old 02-03-2006, 10:03 AM
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Its three handed when he originally makes the raise - he makes the shortstack fold and then its whether I have anything halfdecent to call with....

This changes nothing. Your hand sucks, you can't with any reasonable odds make something decent out of the hand, and 90% of the time you are dumping 450 (13%) of your stack for no good reason. Pick a better spot to "prove something."

Even if you went on to win this hand its still crap play IMO.
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I can understand you wanting to slap his hand away as he tries to steal your blind (possibly). But this is a questionable call pf. The blinds aren't that much compared to your stack. Let him take your blinds and eventually you'll get it all back and then some when he tries to steal and you have a real hand.

Yeah, you got a piece of the flop, but you are on shaky ground at best. Too many st8 and flush possibilities. If you must play this, bet the flop. Your check is begging for him to keep stealing. You are not strong enough for a check/raise IMO. And at this point, he's pot committed and getting godd enough odds to draw for a st8 or a flush. He's getting nearly 5-1. He maybe could have gotten away from his hand if you bet the flop, but there is no way he's folding now. Even with 2 overcards, he has 6 outs and odds to call.
I give you credit for making a read on this guy and trying to bust him out. I like the aggression. But if he had the kind of hand you thought, why would you have taken him on with 73?

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Old 02-03-2006, 10:07 AM
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Even if it was a steal, I think you need to have SOMETHING to back up your defense. If you are going to make a play like that pre-flop, then rearaise and try to take the pot right there.

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I didnt think my call was fishy since I already had contributed to the pot...
That's bad thinking. It doesn't matter if you'd contributed to the pot or not. That money is no longer yours and you can't look at it as if it is.
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Old 02-03-2006, 10:20 AM
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Even if it was a steal, I think you need to have SOMETHING to back up your defense. If you are going to make a play like that pre-flop, then rearaise and try to take the pot right there.



That's bad thinking. It doesn't matter if you'd contributed to the pot or not. That money is no longer yours and you can't look at it as if it is.
I know that doesnt look good, YES it shouldnt be the case of being "pot" committed but I really felt he was attempting a steal, plus I should of said that he was playing loose as well but forgot to mention it at the time.
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Old 02-03-2006, 10:22 AM
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I know that doesnt look good, YES it shouldnt be the case of being "pot" committed but I really felt he was attempting a steal, plus I should of said that he was playing loose as well but forgot to mention it at the time.

The only valid arguement you can put up is a winning result and you'll still be wrong here.
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Old 02-03-2006, 10:56 AM
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The only valid arguement you can put up is a winning result and you'll still be wrong here.
I know, perhaps I need to refine my calls against stacks like this.

Ill put the result up in a few days.
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