PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (8 handed) converter
CO (t1420)
Button (t1670)
SB (t1765)
Hero (t1415)
UTG (t3050)
UTG+1 (t1000)
MP1 (t1805)
MP2 (t1375)
Preflop: Hero is BB with,
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UTG calls t30, 3 folds, CO calls t30, 2 folds, Hero checks.
No brainer here...BB can be so nice sometimes
Flop: (t105),
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(3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets t60, CO calls t60, Hero calls t60.
Ok...I'd only played one hand out side of the the blinds at this table. UTG had played several. Since he limped from UTG I had him on 2 unconnected painted, AT+ or possibly low suited connected. Anything better and he's been raising. I didn't have a read on CO. I thought about betting this flop, but I wanted a better feal for UTG. If he bet, then I could safely put him on something like KJ or Q9. Since the flop seemed reasonably safe (I felt he would have raised had he had KQ, I was certain I was way ahead).
Turn: (t285)(3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets t120, CO calls t120, Hero calls t120.
Ten scared me alittle since QT was a very possible holding. Because of his agression prior to this hand, I wanted to see how much he bet before I decided what to do. I felt his hand was low so I still kept him on TPG-MK or MPMK. I seriously thought about the check raise at this point...and probably should have to define my hand...board was getting a little scary...I decided since this was my first serious hand in the game, I could afford to get a little tricky...
River: (t645)(3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets t120, CO folds, Hero raises to t510, UTG calls t390.
I went for the check raise...I wanted just less then a pot sized bet to make it look like I was bluffing the flush...I knew he wouldn't call an all in and wanted to extract as many chips as possible without pushing him to fold...
Final Pot: t1665
Results in white below:
Hero has Qd 7c (two pair, queens and sevens).
UTG has JavaScript Kh (one pair, kings).
Outcome: Hero wins t1665.
I look back at this one and I'm completely forgetting that CO was in the hand. While I kept it in mind when he would call, I was so focused on my read on UTG that I kind of got into tunnel vision. I was fairly glad when CO folded on the river...I didn't have a read on him and had no idea what he could have been calling with...how bad did I screw this up?
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Thread: Another one for comments.
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02-01-2006 #1
Another one for comments.
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Originally Posted by Jason75
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02-01-2006 #2
Flop, check raise is ok since no one has AKish. If it was raised, I'd prefer to lead into the raiser here. Not that many draws(soem straights, but they should be obvious) so checkraise can't backfire too bad.
Turn: Th is an icky card, it puts out many flush and straight draws. I'd bet 250 and see what happens. If you must check raise here, do it.
River: Ick, the flush draw came in and he still led into 2 callers. He's gotta have a decent hand to be value betting here. Is this river checkraise a bluff? You really think you're good here that often? I hate every street
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02-01-2006 #3PokerForums God
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I overbet the pot on the flop. probably a checkraise.. I dont like messing around with bottom two pair.
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02-01-2006 #4
I check raise the flop too...
KJOriginally Posted by Girevik
Heck, I've seen people go nuts with middle pair!
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02-01-2006 #5
I checkraise the flop and just call the bet on the river, the reraise is fine if you really think your ahead but on a board like that with him betting out it might be hard to beleive you are.
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02-01-2006 #6
I don't see anything wrong with the way you played it, or the replies by everybody else. This is one of those hands that you can't play it TOO bad. If you bet out, you may lose them, but if you slowplay, you may give the freecard that kills ya. You can only do what you want, as long as you know why you are doing each thing, and hope for the best.
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02-01-2006 #7
i dont like the check/raise on the river. the board is a little scary. they may not bet without having a bigger hand next time. i think the time to check/raise was the turn. the flop call is ok, if you are going to c/r on the turn.
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02-02-2006 #8Check Raiser
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I just don't believe that bottom two pair is a strong enough hand to slowplay. I think you're sacrificing a TON of equity by failing to protect your hand with a raise on the flop and again on the turn.
AK of hearts on the turn, for example has 4 J, 3 T, 3 A and 2 K and 8 hearts are all full outs (his hand, KJ, was the same). That's way too many outs for you to be blithely checking behind. Probably the worst part is that after he got a chance to see all his cards and potentially draw out on you, you went ahead and raised.-You may not know this, but poker is a game of incomplete information.
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