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    Stu Ungar Mr.McJ's Avatar
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    Default When a PF raise doesn't thin the crowd...

    I'm playing at a table right now ($0.25/NLHE) where a lot of people are calling my PF raises. I'm raising to $1.50 with hands like AJ suited and pp 10's and am getting anywhere from 4-6 callers.

    With these kinds of people at my table, how should I adjust my play? Should I just not raise at all, since most people are going to call anyways? Should I make my raise bigger? If so, how big? I want to limit the number of people seeing the flop but I also want some action as well.

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    You need to find your happy place then PF. You need to increase your raises to sizes that start eliminating people from the pot, but not too big that you run them off or are forcing all-ins. You just need to make that raise big enough to get the dxesired effect. There is no textbook sized raise, even though a lot of the clones will say always raise 3-5 bb's, you need to adjust your play to the table conditions.
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    why are you raising 5bb with AJ?
    I suggest you play more passive with this kind of table. limp with AQ-A9 etc..
    Limp with JJ-22... (although i suggest making raises in pots where your are late to act, and many ppl have folded).

    If a bunch of ppl have limped, and you get AK in the CO, pushing it up to 4-5bb is sometimes not enough unfortunately.
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    I think its more of an error to limp with AJs than to raise it. I would rather fold it than limp.
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    You don't want them folding when you have equity advantages. Just put a lot of money into the pot and play straightforward postflop.
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    i dont see the problem???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marm
    I think its more of an error to limp with AJs than to raise it. I would rather fold it than limp.
    depends on position. utg raising with aj suited or not isnt a great idea (at a full table. utg 5 handed, ace jack is a great hand to open with)

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    Well if i have a strong drawing hand like AJs, I'm happy to find 6 callers...
    That means you probably have the best of it on 4-5 callers.
    Another good thing, is that you will know if somebody hit a set, cuz they will try to take the pot down right there. Especialy if a big draw is in there.

    However, You have to play it well on the flop... I got burned lately hen I flopped 2 pairs with the exact same hand. AJs! tought I was VS A9, and POW... was wrong, the 9s limp-called preflop!!!

    Anyway, I know what you mean, sometimes its really frustrating to raise when you want to thin the fienld and you find 5 callers...

    But remember, most of the time its a good thing to be facing a lot of callers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tightagressive
    depends on position. utg raising with aj suited or not isnt a great idea (at a full table. utg 5 handed, ace jack is a great hand to open with)
    It is somewhat risky to raise with AJ UTG because you would probably have to fold it to a large re-raise unless the situation is right. Or at least thats what the books would prescribe.
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    I don't care if you raise or not, AJs is one of those hands that it's play is dictated by the current table conditions. But if you want to Raise it, Then raise enough to get your desired result, whatever that may be. If you know that the 'standard' raise won't do anything than build the pot, then just limp it.
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