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Old 01-30-2006, 09:54 AM
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I was playing in the $15+1.50, $10,000 GTD on Pacific the on Saturday. Top 70 cash and I had around 8,500 in chips, avg. was around 9,000. 74 left and I pick up AKs UTG. Blinds are 300/600. I raise to 2,000, and then a player in MP raises all in for 9,000. I folded. What do you do?

71 left. Blinds still 300/600 QQ on the button. UTG raised 2,400. I smooth call on the button because there is only one player to be knocked out before being ITM. Flop is K K 10. UTG moved all in, putting me all in. I waited to see if a player gets knocked out before my time ran out. No one did and I timed out and folded. What do you do?

Are these the right plays on the bubble? I realize by playing this way, I was not playing to win, which is not my style. But on the bubble do you make these folds?
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Old 01-30-2006, 10:02 AM
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The AK hand I probably fold, but that's a really tough one. The QQ hand I probably push pre-flop and hope the other guy is thinking the same thing and you pick up the pot right there. If not, the only thing that really has you in trouble is AA or KK so you're probably in good shape anyway.
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I think a lot of them depend on the reads you have on the people making the moves. If they seem be solid players, I may be more inclined to call. Most decent players know that everybody tightens way up during the bubble. They may have been pushing with less then premium hands to get you to decide between making the money and not.

On the first hand, I'm calling...
the second hand I would have pushed PF...
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Old 01-30-2006, 10:05 AM
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bubble shmubble.

you should have just pushed preflop. All you are doing with your raise to 2k is building a big pot out of position.

I am all-in with the queens too.
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Old 01-30-2006, 10:10 AM
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Thats what I figured the responses would be... Both players that pushed I had notes on and were tight players. In the AK hand the player said he had AK, and in the QQ hand the player showed KQo. I think pushing would have been the right play, but I would appreciate more input.
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Old 01-30-2006, 10:14 AM
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I prefer to play for the win so just getting into the money isn't a factor with 70+ players remaining. I call with the A-K and push with the QQ pre-flop.

Although I was 2nd chip leader with only 5 of us remaining and had A-Ko when the 3th stack pushed all-in. (SnG with payout to top 5 places) A loss would have taken over 2/3 of my stack and left me struggling in last place - I folded that hand and went on to win 2nd place.
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Old 01-30-2006, 10:20 AM
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You must push the QQ preflop. The AK I would have called since you already put in 2G. If you arent going to call a reraise, why make one for 20% of your stack in the first place?
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Danimal.

Blinds are 300/600 you have 8500 left.

You raise to 2000 and it only leaves you 6500 and you have to take the blinds the next hand. Not a good spot.

The amount of your raise puts YOU in the spot of having to make the hard decisions. If someone calls you, the pot will bet 4900, and you will have to act first. Your stack is 6500. You don't really have many options.

My opinion with AKs is when your stack or you opponents stack is less than 20bb, you cannot make a mistake by raising too much, only too little.
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After contemplating the plays that I made I would have to agree with all of you. Not sure why I was playing so weak. At that time my only goal was to make the money. My plays were very weak-tight and I am usually tight-aggressive. I used to tell my friends they could cut my nuts off if I ever folded AKs to a re-raise all in, but I guess would have to take that back.
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I used to tell my friends they could cut my nuts off if I ever folded AKs to a re-raise all in, but I guess would have to take that back.

Or you could be a man about it and become a woman...lol! We have all had moments of weakness. Hopefully the discussion will prevent you from making similar weak moves in the future. We got your back bro...your on your own protecting your nuts if your friends find out though.
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