Bad beat or bad call?

**BenrawieJ6offsuit** · 01-28-2006

- rvdjumanji sitting in seat 1 with $2080.00

- Lykkebos sitting in seat 3 with $2465.00

- rooster84 sitting in seat 4 with $4200.00

- Benrawie sitting in seat 5 with $3235.00

- edwince sitting in seat 6 with $7695.00 [Dealer]

- coltsfan18 sitting in seat 7 with $495.00

- wi11yr sitting in seat 8 with $4670.00

- coolwater101 sitting in seat 9 with $750.00

coltsfan18 posted the small blind - $100.00

wi11yr posted the big blind - $200.00

** Dealing card to Benrawie: 7 of Spades, Queen of Diamonds

coolwater101 folded

rvdjumanji called - $200.00

Lykkebos folded

rooster84 folded

Benrawie called - $200.00

edwince called - $200.00

coltsfan18 called - $200.00

wi11yr checked

** Dealing the flop: 5 of Spades, 3 of Spades, 10 of Spades

coltsfan18 checked

wi11yr checked

rvdjumanji checked

Benrawie checked

edwince bet - $1000.00

coltsfan18 folded

wi11yr folded

rvdjumanji folded

Benrawie called - $1000.00

** Dealing the turn: 7 of Diamonds

Benrawie bet - $200.00

edwince raised - $2200.00

Benrawie went all-in - $1835.00

edwince shows: 8 of Clubs, Ace of Spades

** Dealing the river: Queen of Spades

edwince wins $7070.00 from the main pot

When he raised i sensed that he was just trying to close down the pot, im unsure weather calling his big bet was a good idea.

Previously the table had been extremely tight which is what made me put him on 1 spade on a flush draw.

**Aces-o-8s** · 01-28-2006

Originally Posted by BenrawieJ6offsuit

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** Dealing card to Benrawie: 7 of Spades, Queen of Diamonds

Bad beat?

Are you kidding? This is so obvious a Fold pre-flop it hardly requires analysis. You have some reading to do about what constitutes a starting hand my friend. But in the mean time, where do you play soi I can join in?

**Gryff** · 01-28-2006

You say the table was tight, why call with Q7s?

You should have folded preflop.
If you think he is bullying you on the flop you need to raise not call, if you dont hit your cards then you have lost anyway, the only way to take this pot down is to reraise or hit a queen.
You bet far far too weakly to discourage him on the turn, he saw it for what it was ( a horribly weak steal ).

Your outs are limited as well because the Q and 7s give the flushdraw, you had 4 outs to win it, the only way you are taking this pot down is raising allin on the flop and hoping everyone folds.

When calling and raising are bad moves, you have to go with option #3 ( fold ).

**The Real DeCoy** · 01-28-2006

Two bad plays.

**mik1w** · 01-28-2006

I dont think thats what a bad beat is,, like people said thats a fold pre flop, you had bad position and bad cards.

take a look at pot odds too on the flop, they dont warrant a call a quick looks tells you thats about 2 to 1 and a flush draw is 3 to 1, but THIS flush draw may require discounted outs as he may well have a higher spade (as it turns out he did).

on the turn, pot odds are about 3/5 and flush draw on the river is about 1/6, a much less marginal decision.

**BenrawieJ6offsuit** · 01-28-2006

i knew that if i avoided a spade on the river i would have won the hand. Even if a spade did come up i thought he could also have a lower spade (unlikely tho)

**gder03** · 01-28-2006

this a cash game? or play chips?

**BenrawieJ6offsuit** · 01-28-2006

just a free roll

**Irexes** · 01-28-2006

Shocking play from both sides, I reread the hand history twice cause I thought I was missing something.

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