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    Stu Ungar KINGJACK's Avatar
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    Default Rasing PF in NL holdem

    Just curious to know if all of you do the same...

    I always raise the same amount of money for every hand I play in NL cash games: 4BB. No mather what the reason is... Raising LP limpers with high suited connect from CO, rasing a big PP from EP, rasing from the button to steal blinds... always 4BB.

    The only time I raise it bigger, it's when I'm facing 4 or more limpers. Of course, this doesent apply to reraises.

    1st of, do you always raise the same amount of money?
    2nd, is there any reasons why I should raise sometime bigger, sometime lower?

    Waiting for comments...

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    i always raie 3.5bb if im first to open. AA-QQ ill sometime jack up to 4bb, but never less tha n3.5bb.

    If a person or two are in the pot, this changes things drasticly, so I will play it by ear.

    I laugh @ ppl who make min. raise pf. its pointless.
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    I vary.. _ If I think it will pay I'll bet up to 1/3 of my stack.

    I use minimum raises in late (juices the pot).. If you have many callers and a weak-ish hand like KJ.. a minimum raise will not scare off all the Ax's or PP. You will then get everyone through to the flop. The pot will also be larger and because of other ppls money). Multiple callers forces a degree of honesty on the play . So if you do hit the J then gentle betting may give you a good result. ( The odds are against someone else having the J - and aggressive betting is suppressed because of your intial raise - so you get callers for draws and even mid pair) If someone hits they let you know about it.. the pot is big enough to justify trips betting large - but you will have lost a small proportion of that pot if you fold - so the fold is easier..

    A 4bb raise with this hand with callers is unlikely to take down the pot (you just need someone to call and everyone after him has pot odds)

    You get some protection against higher pp with this approach. Anyone whose limped in with AA KK early will not tolerate multiple callers and a minimum raise - so they tend to re-raise.

    I mix it..Minimum raise early in a game makes me look WT and ppl tend to either bet into me or respect my bets..

    3-4 I keep for attacking blinds mid/late..
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    Interesting

    See, I never, but I mean never ever minimum raised in unraised pot before, cause I felt it was pointless. But I now see some value into this.

    I'll try to give it a shot...

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    Originally Posted by Girevik
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    I try to vary my play as much as possible. Obviously like all play in poker this depends on the type of table I'm at, if its full of super aggressive players who raise 10 x BB and the average pot is 30-50 x bb then this needs adjusting accordingly.

    My Raising hands PF (for unrasied pots) regardless of position are AA - 1010 AK AQ AJ KQ KJ - How much I raise is based on the time, yup the time, I got this idea from Dan Harringtons book. I want to raise 4x BB two thirds of the time and 2 x bb one third of the time, this is because I'm so tight and I don't want to give every other player such a good read on me. Obviously my raise amounts of 4 x bb and 2 x bb cannot be alternate so I use the seconds digit on my clock, 0 - 19 seconds past the minute =- 2 x bb, 20 - 59 seconds past the minutes = 4 x bb. this keeps it random. I also occasionally call with medium strength hands connectors 5-6 and up suited cards where the higher of the cards is 10+ etc... I use the same method to decide this. I'll play these one 6th of the time or between 20 and 30 seconds past the minute. And if its between 54seconds and 59seconds I'll slow play a premium hand if I have one, even AA. (I don't recommend this to anyone who is not experienced enough to fold this hand if things do not pan out).

    As for minimum raise - I rarely do it preflop. It really serves little purpose. If I'm raising then its because I want to sweeten the pot or I want to reduce the field. A minimum raise won't get rid of anyone and rarely will a player who has entered the pot call minimum raise but not 2 x bb raise in my experience.

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    I will raise min If im in good position and there are LOADS of callers, and I have a drawing hand like 89s. Make people make bad calls. They think min raise, especially if a couple have called it before them then the pot is large enough to think tis worth calling again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mik1w
    I will raise min If im in good position and there are LOADS of callers, and I have a drawing hand like 89s. Make people make bad calls. They think min raise, especially if a couple have called it before them then the pot is large enough to think tis worth calling again.
    With a family pot, making a min raise is NOT making people make bad calls, all you are doing is giving them correct odds to call with just about any hand. If you are going to do something, do it for the right reasons. This isn't it.
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    I think you need to base it on your hand and the table. On some tables a min rase will get people to fold, where on some tables people will call a 3BB rasie with garbage. Likewise, I want to narrow the field more wtih AK than I do with AA, so I will tend to raise a little more with AK. Obviously you can't make the same bet with the same cards all the time, but this is the general principal I follow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marm
    With a family pot, making a min raise is NOT making people make bad calls, all you are doing is giving them correct odds to call with just about any hand. If you are going to do something, do it for the right reasons. This isn't it.
    Oh yeah, I never realised that. I just sometimes get a sense that when poor players make marginal calls PF, they generally will put more money in the pot becasue theyve already put something in and they'd feel "cheated" if they didn't get to see the flop. I used to do that a lot when I started playing and knew it was the wrong decision, but would still do it to make a point.

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    if i am first to open, then i open for 3.5xBB.. if theres a few limpers ahead of me, i increase this to 4x BB sometimes 5BB.. some hands i will raise more - like AA KK or QQ (6-20BB, most of the time 10BB)..

    also i dont play any suited connectors unless its QJs+
    i dont try to steal blinds from the button

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