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    Poker Hustler Trons's Avatar
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    Default QQ in the BB

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (9 handed) converter

    MP3 (t3050)
    CO (t1450)
    Button (t3850)
    SB (t4665)
    Hero (t3645)
    UTG (t1025)
    UTG+1 (t8575)
    MP1 (t3710)
    MP2 (t4045)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with , .
    UTG raises to t300, UTG+1 calls t300, 1 fold, MP2 calls t300, 3 folds, SB calls t225, Hero calls t150.

    Ok...the limp wasn't a good idea. We can all agree with that. To be honest, I couldn't come up with an amount that would make sense. I figured since UTG raised 2x...Any amount I raised, UTG would probably call because of his low stack size. With his call, plus all the limpers, others would be getting some pretty good odds to call with just about anything...

    I really wanted to make sure I had a harmless flop before I invested money into this hand. Is this way too weak of a play, or in this situation, was this the right move?

    Flop: (t1500) , , (5 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets t750, UTG calls t725 (All-In), UTG+1 folds, MP2 folds, SB calls t750.

    I don't think it gets anymore text book then this. I knew UTG would call and that would probably give anybody with the flush draw the odds...

    Turn: (t3725) (3 players, 1 all-in)
    SB checks, Hero bets t500, SB calls t500.

    At this point, I'm almost afraid that SB maybe playing something goofy and hit trip 8s. when he just called, I put him on either the FD or trips and slow playing.

    River: (t4725) (3 players, 1 all-in)
    SB checks, Hero checks.

    I checked here because I didn't see any hand that I beat calling me. Again, I was a little afraid of the trips being slow played and he was looking for a check raise. If he was on a FD, he's folding anyway.

    Final Pot: t4725

    Results in white below:
    SB has Ah 9h (one pair, eights).
    Hero has Qd Qc (two pair, queens and eights).
    UTG has JavaScript Jd (two pair, jacks and eights).
    Outcome: Hero wins t4725.


    Ok. Comments. I thought I fouled this up pretty badly right after I played it, but the more I think about it, I'm not sure I really made any mistakes...other then maybe the turn bet should have been larger, but i wanted to leave myself a decent stack if he had hit his trips.
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    i dont see anything wrong with pushing preflop. nobody has represented anything that QQ fears.

    bet more on flop

    bet more on turn

    goddamnit get ur stack in there.

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    i push all in preflop.

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    Yup push. Big pot, take it now. Havent even read the results... But I think you donked every street but the flop, and even then you may have underbet
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    you gotta go all in preflop here. you have everyone owned right now. if they all fold, youll scoop a nice pot with no action, and if you get a call your ahead so..
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    I agree with the chorus. That much in the pot preflop, push all-in and hope the idiot with A2 calls
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    I also push PF... If noone calls you still have a decent pot...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eclipse86
    i push all in preflop.
    Ditto - the pot is already 25% of your stack. I'd push and hope to take it down right there.
    I'm CDO. It's like OCD, but everying is in order just like it should be.

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    i dont like the idea of a push preflop, especially with UTG raising. He either has a good PP or he's a reckless player. i think a reraise wouldve been your best option. narrow the field a bit more, and if UTG reraises or pushes, id simply call, then wouldve pushed on the flop.

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    I appreciate all the comments, especially since I asked for them. I am, however, going to go against the flow. I am also going to try to defend my play because I've had a lot of time to think about it.

    As I've stated earlier. I figured PF that UTG was all in if I reraised him. This is because of the size of the pot. This also, would have given several other people decent odds to call...The chance to take a decent pot, plus the chance to knock out 2 players would probably have induced UTG+1 (as table CL) to call...SB with his A9s probably would have called also (especially if UTG+1 calls) because he's not looking as some great odds. Anybody who has an Ace at the time would have to concider it for a long time. Had I done that, and an A falls (or a K if somebody with KQ decides to come along for the ride). There was no way I was taking this pot down PF. I will admit that I knew there would be a flop from the fact that UTG was so SSed after his raise (why he didn't push is beyond me).

    By flat calling the min raise from UTG gives me the chance to make sure the flop is to my liking before continueing. Funny thing, but in this case, I also like being in EP. I like this because I feel I can control the rounds from here on out. I'm left with a decent stack PF so if over cards come on the flop, I can check (no pressure to make a continuation bet) and get out of the hand really cheap. If I like the flop, I'm in EP so I can take the odds away from drawers and be able to take control of the hand...

    I donked the Flop bet. While I knew UTG was AI, I didn't take those chips into account when I figured a pot sized bet would remove odds from the FD. I actually gave MP the exact odds he needed to draw to the flulsh...that was serious mistake that I will watch for in the future...

    I explained why my turn bet was so small...and the river, I honestly felt that there was no hand that was calling that I had beat, but if he was slow playing a powerhouse, he may have been on the check/raise (waiting for the river to stack me).

    I know I screwed up the flop now...and why (the why is more important), but the more I think about it, the more I think pushing would have been a serious mistake PF. This isn't even taking into concideration the cardinal rule of always leaving yourself a way out...
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