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    Stu Ungar Mr.McJ's Avatar
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    Default Why am I always being outdrawn?

    It's almost comical how much I'm being outdrawn.
    I'm guessing all in on the turn would have been a good idea but obviously the guy who made his straight wasn't going anywhere.


    Texas Hold'em $0.25-$0.25 NL (real money), hand #30,698,558
    Table Calgary, 22 Jan 2006 04:27 PM
    Seat 2: poks4dols ($59.80 in chips)
    Seat 3: woggerz ($32.55 in chips)
    Seat 4: Chocky2012 ($21.15 in chips)
    Seat 5: vaughn21 ($33.30 in chips)
    Seat 6: JHelmuthL ($22.95 in chips)
    Seat 7: WhatTheXXX ($20.35 in chips)
    Seat 8: cmm4101 ($14.05 in chips)
    Seat 9: MrMcj [10C,10D] ($29.40 in chips)
    Seat 10: hapycampr ($15.15 in chips)
    ANTES/BLINDS
    cmm4101 posts blind ($0.15), MrMcj posts blind ($0.25).

    PRE-FLOP
    hapycampr folds, poks4dols folds, woggerz folds, Chocky2012 folds, vaughn21 calls $0.25, JHelmuthL bets $0.50, WhatTheXXX calls $0.50, cmm4101 calls $0.35, MrMcj bets $1.25, vaughn21 folds, JHelmuthL calls $1, WhatTheXXX calls $1, cmm4101 calls $1.

    FLOP [board cards 8C,KC,10H ]
    cmm4101 checks, MrMcj bets $3, JHelmuthL calls $3, WhatTheXXX folds, cmm4101 calls $3.

    TURN [board cards 8C,KC,10H,5S ]
    cmm4101 checks, MrMcj bets $10, JHelmuthL calls $10, cmm4101 calls $9.55 and is all-in.

    RIVER [board cards 8C,KC,10H,5S,7C ]
    MrMcj bets $5, JHelmuthL calls $5.

    SHOWDOWN
    MrMcj shows [ 10C,10D ]
    JHelmuthL mucks cards [ KS,AD ]
    cmm4101 shows [ JD,9S ]
    MrMcj wins $10.90, cmm4101 wins $43.40.
    SUMMARY
    Dealer: WhatTheXXX
    Pot: $54.80, (including rake: $0.50)
    poks4dols, loses $0
    woggerz, loses $0
    Chocky2012, loses $0
    vaughn21, loses $0.25
    JHelmuthL, loses $19.50
    WhatTheXXX, loses $1.50
    cmm4101, bets $14.05, collects $43.40, net $29.35
    MrMcj, bets $19.50, collects $10.90, net -$8.60
    hapycampr, loses $0

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    Stu Ungar Mr.McJ's Avatar
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    Anyway I can move it or can only mods do that?

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    First a disclaimer, Im not too great at poker, just want to practice analysing the hand..

    on the flop, the pot was $5, you bet $3 to get rid of drawing hands. That gives a draw pot odds of 3/8, 37%. That flop can have a flush draw, 9 outs, and a straight draw, 8 outs, I think 35% and 31%, so its close, but probably worth it with implied odds.

    at the turn the pot is $14, and you bet $10, K+kicker calls $10 and this gives the drawer about 30%, and their odds are about 20%, but no implied odds as he is all in. The cold calls in the flop would make me think they were looking for another card, so I might bet even bigger on the useless turn. Id say a bad call from cmm4101 who got lucky..

    then again, Im just picking up pot odds and everything so you probably already know all this. Maybe you just got unlucky that the guy was all in so he was feeling safe that he couldn't lose anymore if he missed the river?

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    You made a misake here preflop. Ak plays best against a small number of opponents. You had a caller with 25c in the pot, and a raiser and 2 more callers with 50c already in the pot. You should be looking to raise here to $2, or if you have seen these raises being called by a whole tbale preflop, even $3. You should be happy to take the pot there and then if they do all fold.

    Also as the other poster said - On that board, someone could quite easily have been playing QJ for an up and down straight draw or 2 clubs for a flush draw. You should bet out the pot and make them pay to draw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.McJ
    It's almost comical how much I'm being outdrawn.
    like the other guys said but as an added bonus, a lot of the time, no matter what u bet, u will still get callers and they will river you.

    the upside is that idiots will always be idiots and so will try their hardest to lose their money to u in the long run

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    • Reraise the flop much more
    • Bet pot on flop
    • Push all in on turn
    Well thats what I would do...

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    he had an open ended straight draw and a flush draw. he had 16 outs twice.

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    who had a flush draw? I cant see any..

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    never mind, I misread it.

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