Was he bluffing on the river?

**corblimey** · 01-21-2006

Hi guys,

I was wondering if poeple could give me some advice.

I am getting a bit stuck with people calling my bets on the flop and turn then betting/going all-in on the river. I do not know whether thay are bluffing or not, whether they have hit draws or not as some people seem call with really unlikely gutshots.

What did sb have?
I give him credit for being a good player. Also every decision in this hand
hr thought about for slightly over half the time period allowed. Either a
good hand or a bluff.

No Limit holdem $10 STT
Blinds: $25/$50
4 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is BB with 3♣ 5♣
2 folds, SB calls $25, Hero checks.

Flop: 5♦ 4♣ A♥ ($100, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $100, SB calls $100.

Turn: 7♣ ($300, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $250, SB calls $250.

River: 9♥ ($800, 2 players)
SB bets $300, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $300 returned to SB.

Results:
Final pot: $800

I wondered if he had a high pocket pair.
I decided to fold and try to wait for a better hand/hold on for the money.

Thanks in advance.

**thinTim** · 01-21-2006

Seems to me like he might have been bluffing, might have had pockets or a set, might have had an ace with a good kicker, might have just put you on a flush draw, might have even turned two pair. No matter what the case you weren't in any position to call, so I'd say laying it down was the right decision, at least that's my opinion for what it's worth..

**Marm** · 01-21-2006

I'm thinking it was a feeler bet to see if you were bluffing. I call that bet.

Of course, I have no clue how that would have left your stack... or his history...

And I'm highly doubting he had a High pocket pair.....

**corblimey** · 01-21-2006

Thanks for the advice.

Just wanted to explain why i thought he had a high pp. the guy took so long to call pre-flop from the sb that i put him on a marginal hand and expected him to fold post-flop. then when he kept on calling to the turn i wondered if he had actually had a good starting hand and was wondering how to play it.

Maybe i shudn't read too much into how long people take to make their decisions.

ps calling the final bet would have halved what was left of my stack

**Aces-o-8s** · 01-21-2006

Originally Posted by corblimey

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is BB with 3♣ 5♣
2 folds, SB calls $25, Hero checks.

Flop: 5♦ 4♣ A♥ ($100, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $100, SB calls $100.

Turn: 7♣ ($300, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $250, SB calls $250.

River: 9♥ ($800, 2 players)
SB bets $300, Hero folds.

Hindsight analysis isn't really all that reliable but for what it's worth here goes.

Flop - good pot size bet on your part. RED FLAG SB Called a pot size bet???? If he's any good at all he knows he's drawing against the odds or HE HAS SOMETHING!!!! 70% of the time a SB checks into the BB he'll fold to the BB's pot size bet . 10% (or less) of the time he'll throw in a bluff re-raise but 20% of the time he'll slowplay a strong hand (all percentages are guesses based on my experieances - others may have widely different opinions).

Turn - another good sized bet although with SB calling a pot size bet on the flop I might have just checked this through. SB CALLED AGAIN - RED FLAG He's got to be slowplaying you or he's auditioning for the "Calling Station of the Year Award"

River - Now he bets out!! He's not going to risk you checking through so bets out hoping you'll defend 'your' pot.

My guess he had Ax with x maybe a 4 or 5 or possibly a set of 4's or A's. The 7 on turn gave a shot at inside str8 but he didn't raise then so probably wasn't going for that str8 draw and the 9 on the river is a blank with out an 8 and 6 but these would have make the str8 on the turn - he would have check-raised then. Your hand history is simular to times a savvy player traps my top pair with a set - the rope-a-dope play!

**bonchkid** · 01-21-2006

84.3% of all statistics are made up right Aces?

**gder03** · 01-21-2006

don't call this river, you have a bad hand. give him credit for A. slow playing your ass, or B. catching something.

**Aces-o-8s** · 01-21-2006

Originally Posted by bonchkid

84.3% of all statistics are made up right Aces?

I'll give you credit for knowing but I wasn't giving statistics - only a guesstimate using percentages. I have heard that there are three levels of untruth however - Lies, damn lies and statistics.

**gaash** · 01-23-2006

Next time put your opponent all in here instead of putting yourself in this situation, especially with a hand like yours that if you miss you can't call anything but the smallest bet.

**gaash** · 01-23-2006

Didn't notice he might have had a lot more chips ... do you have the stack size details?

Originally Posted by gaash

Next time put your opponent all in here instead of putting yourself in this situation, especially with a hand like yours that if you miss you can't call anything but the smallest bet.

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