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  1. 01-20-2006 #1
    KINGJACK
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    Default QQ hand, any mistakes?

    .25/.50 NL

    BB 65$ in front of me...
    MP3 has 50$

    QQ

    MP3 raise to 2$
    Button calls
    I raise to 6.5
    MP3 Calls
    Button Folds

    Flop Qx JavaScript 6s

    I bet 7.50$
    He raise to 15$

    So I think he is on AsQs or AsKs or JJ
    I have no choice I push

    He calls
    Turn 2s
    River Blank

    He Shows AsKs

    Should I call and wait to see the turn and push there where I'm sure he wont have the odds to call 2 over + a FD, or 1 pair FD.... (I knew he did'nt had it on the flop, but he could'nt know)

    I also know the spade hit the turn any ways, but lets imagine it did'nt...

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  2. 01-20-2006 #2
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    I like a push here. I feel he wants to get all in and since your hand is favorite over anything, you should want that as well.
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    Bad beat...you played correctly and got him to put all his chips in with your monster. You cant fear the flush because more often than not hes semi-bluffing with a paired Q or has a set of J or 6.
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  4. 01-20-2006 #4
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    You are favorite over any hand plain and simple, you want as much money in the pot. Now if you knew your opponent was on a flush draw and would still call an all in from you if he missed on hte turn then you should check, but that isn't very likely.
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  5. 01-20-2006 #5
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    i push all in here too.. his min raise on the flop looks as if he wants to keep you in the pot (so he probably thinks his hand is a favourite to win).. so i push all in here and hope he calls.
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    easy push. I know you wanna have a blank on turn and make him fold draws, but your like 76/35 to win on flop prolly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gder03
    easy push. I know you wanna have a blank on turn and make him fold draws, but your like 76/35 to win on flop prolly.
    probably more cuz if the board pairs then the other guys flush draw is dead.
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    Lets look at this from his perspective.

    He has flopped the nut straight draw, the nut flush draw, and has two overcards.
    The only way he isnt the favourite, is if you had two pair,a set, or pocket aces and he isnt far behind even then ( 7:3 and 6:4 underdog if you have a set/two pair, almost 50/50 against AA ).
    He is a favourite to any single pair, any flush draw, any other straight draw.
    He would be a 55:45 underdog to pocket aces, and a 55:45 favourite against pocket kings.

    I think he has to call almost any bet here other than an all in.
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  9. 01-21-2006 #9
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    Thats why I ask if a call would have been better...

    If the turn is blank I push and he lost his odds...

    I knew he was on AK or AQs

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  10. 01-21-2006 #10
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    If you put him on that range of hands I think the flatcall is better, if the turn comes a blank he's only 20% to win, if its not then you can fold.
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