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  1. #1
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    Default Hold em' or Fold em' ?

    I'm new to limit hold em' although I have alot of No Limit Hold em' tournament experience.

    Now If I'm in middle position and someone re-raises with 6/6 is this a fold or limp in? I just had this play come up.. 1 person raises ( he ended up having j/j) 4 people folded then it was me, if those 3-4 ppl called I would have gone in hoping to hit the flop and get paid off well for my limp. Anyways since 4 people folded infront of me I folded too. A couple after me called..

    I'm not going to say what the flop was caught it's not needed for an answer, so do you lay down small pocket pairs when it's raised. Also do I limp in with a/X suited to hopefully flop a flush, or do I through this into the muck too?

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    Please read Small Stakes Holdem.

    1. No- 66 is crap in a raised pot from EP

    2.limp late against an unraised preflop
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    Medium pairs are tricky in limit games, the safe play is to limp with them and dump them if you don't hit a set. They can be good for taking on players that are aggressive post-flop with big aces aswell, but that takes decent reads to do.

    A good rule of thumb is to never cold call, that is call a raise without already having put money in the pot. There are exceptions but not many. Offsuit weak aces aren't worth playing except from maybe the blinds or when trying to steal. Suited aces can be playable from mid-late position aswell, especially when you pot is going to be multi-way.

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    I have found the really low aces suited ace - A6 and lower - to be losers even at the loose passive tables.

    In order to call raises with small pairs, you need to be pretty sure you will have at least 5 opponents. Dump small pairs from EP unless the table is extremely loose and passive.

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    I think It depends how deep the money is. If the money is deep you have a lot of implied odds which makes calling hoping for a set, even in the face of a raise a correct play. Unless your table is aggressive preflop but very tight and passive post flop.
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    gaash, I assumed he was talking about limit - that is why I said you need players in the pot, and stack size doesn't really figure.

    For NL, yep stack size in important.

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    beavis you are right, that's what I get for skimming ... for limit, its a similar idea as has already been mentioned, you want good odds aka a lot of people in the hand and a lot of money in the pot (or the promise of a lot of money in the pot, like if you are playing 5 fish who go to the river on every hand)
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    I generally consider 3 other players in the pot (including the raiser) the cutoff for playing a smallish to middle pocket pair. Assuming that the raiser will be with you to the river (or someone else will) you'll usually be able to get at least 3.5 BB out of him... so the 3.5 BB in the pot preflop means you only need one other player to call 1 BB postflop to get this to breakeven. At a lot of tables, you will routinely get multiple extra callers to move it to profitable, and the extra bets you win when he goes to war with you when you raise the turn should compensate the times when you hit your set and lose to an overset or a flush. I'm profitable with all these hands the 15 or so times I've ever actually cold-called with them... but the opportunity doesn't come up too often so the sample size is pretty small
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