Raising from the blinds in limit.

**Beavis68** · 01-18-2006

I thought we had a good discussion (well, I may have been a little curt at first) about rasing from the blinds in limit holdem.

Marm, Steve-O and Rolf Slottblom (whatever) are tight with raises from the BB.

There reasons are:

1. Bad position.
2. You won't get anyone to fold
3. You are building a big pot that will be hard to defend.
4. Your equity edge with hand like ATs and AKo are only there if you see all 5 cards.

Ed Miller advocates raising more liberally from the blinds for the following reasons:

1. Your oppoenents are limping in with weak hands and you are exploiting their mistakes.
2. Your hand is strong and it will be correct to continue after many flops in a raised pot.
3. You can extract extra bets now that you couldn't get post-flop.

There is also concern that if Player A raises from the blinds, he may misplay his hand post flop because he has built a big pot.

My contention has always been that if you misplay when you raise from the BB you will probably misplay when you raise from the CO or the button.

Post-flop mistakes are post flop mistakes.

Comments?

**gaash** · 01-18-2006

I advocate playing tight. There isn't much of an edge here if you do not have a big hand and it is very hard to exploit when you could be up against any hand. Unless you hit a hand on the flop (which is << 50%) your hand becomes very hard to play against a guy who bets out the whole way.

**Trons** · 01-18-2006

Actually, I'll raise from the blinds in certain situations that are almost always dependent on the other people in the hand...some examples...

It's folded around to the CO or button and he only limps and the SB completes, I'll raise with a wide range of hands and lead out if the texture of the flop is good for me.

The other people in the hand have shown a tendancy to be pushed out of the pot..

I feel I'm better post flop then anybody else in the hand.

There was a raise from EP and a couple callers...I will raise with a marginal hand like AQo if I think that the EP player will cap it to get it heads up...I won't do this if I don't think EP will cap it though for obvious reasons.

The big thing I'm looking for when it comes to raising from the blinds are chances to steal the pot or out play my opponents...

I think the edge in raising from the blinds comes from the fact that most people don't do it unless they have a power house so when they see you do it, they put you on a much stronger hand then you may have...this edge is easily exploitable and can be profitable if you pay attention to the situations...

**The Real DeCoy** · 01-18-2006

I think its important to discuss the hands that you would raise from the big. I would limit it to AQs, AKs, AKo, QQ-AA with 4 hands likely seeing the flop. Less and I might open up AJs, TT, JJ, KQs, and AKo. Outside of that I'll take my check.

Of course these are the hands that I am limiting my raises from EP to so I just find that natural.

If people feel otherwise I'd love to know why. The first set are premium hands anywhere and the second set have a little more to do with whats happenend in the hand. With 6 callers you could get someone to fold and you could have a re-raise behind you. For the times that this happens you need to be helping yourself with the hand.

**Marm** · 01-18-2006

IUsually I don't misplay from LP, because I have the benefit of position, I have seen what they others think of their hands re the flop, and I can act accordingly. From EP, I don't have the advantage, and its really a guessing game as to whether the others like the flop or not. If you throw out a CB, and get raised, flop dependent, you're screwed, BUt if you Are in LP, and there is a bet and a raise, you can do what you will with confidence.

**Beavis68** · 01-18-2006

Originally Posted by gaash

There isn't much of an edge here if you do not have a big hand and it is very hard to exploit when you could be up against any hand. .

The is the weak point of the argument for raising. Your edge isn't big. But your edge over a specific player or too maybe big.

On the other hand, you have an edge you can exploit now. And you may not be able to on the flop unless someone has a draw against you.

**gaash** · 01-18-2006

How much you value position is very important. The extra information your opponent has by having position on you (if you raise in the sb, naturally) can very well negate the smallish edge you have preflop with most hands. Of course, against a player you know well and are much better than, this could be an easy opportunity for more money

**Beavis68** · 01-18-2006

Originally Posted by gaash

How much you value position is very important. The extra information your opponent has by having position on you (if you raise in the sb, naturally) can very well negate the smallish edge you have preflop with most hands. Of course, against a player you know well and are much better than, this could be an easy opportunity for more money

What do you define as a small edge?

I dont worry about posiiton as much in low limit. I don't see being first to act against a large field that much of a disadvantage on the flop. If the flop misses me, i am not going to bet into 4+ people no matter what position I am, in. I can check and see what my opponents do - and get the same info I would get being on the button. Position is more important to me when to me when I have 1 or 2 opponents, or in NL.

**Beavis68** · 01-18-2006

Originally Posted by Marm

IUsually I don't misplay from LP.

Good for you, i misplay for every position.

It checks to me, and I bet and get check-raisesd or called down by some punk with a weak made hand.

**Beavis68** · 01-18-2006

I have 67 hands with ATs,AJs AQ and AK in the blinds

my PFR is 80% and I am .43bb/hand.

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