Was this a good laydown?

**JokersWild** · 01-18-2006

Actually everybody at this table was fairly competent, something I rarely run into.

Stage #299083201 Tourney ID 140430 Holdem Single Tournament No Limit $15 - 2006-01-18 15:04:23 (ET)
Table: 5305967 (Real Money) Seat #9 is the dealer
Seat 1 - JOE_KICKASS ($1215 in chips)
Seat 2 - KILLERCAL ($1820 in chips)
Seat 3 - DETONATER ($1050 in chips)
Seat 5 - HATE5THST ($2695 in chips)
Seat 6 - SIR29 ($2750 in chips)
Seat 8 - RANDYPANTS ($1990 in chips)
Seat 9 - OTTAWA MIKE ($1980 in chips)
JOE_KICKASS - Posts small blind $15
KILLERCAL - Posts big blind $30
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to OTTAWA MIKE [Kd Ks]
DETONATER - Raises $180 to $180
HATE5THST - Raises $360 to $360
SIR29 - Folds
RANDYPANTS - Folds
OTTAWA MIKE - Raises $810 to $810
JOE_KICKASS - Folds
KILLERCAL - Folds
DETONATER - Folds
HATE5THST - All-In(Raise) $2335 to $2695
OTTAWA MIKE - Folds
HATE5THST - returned ($1885) : not called
*** SHOW DOWN ***
HATE5THST - Does not show
HATE5THST Collects $1845 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($1845)
Seat 1: JOE_KICKASS (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 2: KILLERCAL (big blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 3: DETONATER Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 5: HATE5THST collected Total ($1845) All-In
Seat 6: SIR29 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 8: RANDYPANTS Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 9: OTTAWA MIKE (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS

**Marm** · 01-18-2006

Unless you had a REALLY good history on that guy, this was a horrible lay down. You are truly fearing AA here?? A lot of player will make this move with TT+ and AJo+.......

Even if we give Him QQ+ and AQs+, you are still a favorite

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 58.9448 % 56.75% 02.19% { KK }
Hand 2: 41.0552 % 38.86% 02.19% { QQ+, AQs+, AKo }

And my first example:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 68.2928 % 67.32% 00.97% { KK }
Hand 2: 31.7072 % 30.73% 00.97% { TT+, AJs+, AJo+ }

**WotaWaster** · 01-18-2006

Well,

Given the amount you reraised I think he must expect a call. I struggle to put him on anything other than AA. Some people would say never fold KK, in that situation I think you can.

Also think how it affects you mentally. If you can think I am happy with my laydown I believed he had AA and then continue playing your normal game, lay it down.

If you are likely to sit and question whether he had aces, get annoyed that your kings probably ran into aces and tilt your chips away going all in a few hands later on pocket 7's then call and if you lose move on to next tournament.

**WotaWaster** · 01-18-2006

Although I do play 99% cash games to be fair so..

**Beavis68** · 01-18-2006

Terrible.

Maybe if you were on the bubble and 2nd in chips and two people had only the BB left - MAYBE.

**The Real DeCoy** · 01-18-2006

You had a roughly 4K pot which would have cost you 1K to see to the river. Villian probably saw the river with someone to get his stack to 2700. What did he have?

FYI- There is no way that I am folding this. I'd rather be out of the tourney than fold KK to AQ, AK, TT, JJ, QQ or even worse hands. There is one hand that beats you preflop. Fear it? No way. If you do, poker is not your game.

I have a feeling that this was not your discomfort with calling but rather the fact that the buyin was $15 and you may have had emotional issues with the price.

**JokersWild** · 01-18-2006

Of course I would have called had I put him on anything other than AA. That's a given.

I also would have called if it didn't put me all in and I had chips left to recover with.

However, I had won two pots and lost one with tight aggressive play. I'm trying to recognize my opponents holding AA and I picked this as one of those times. My play till then should have deserved respect and I had a gut instinct that the PF betting pattern indicated he had AA.

I did come third in this by the way and frankly my goal in these STT is to come in the money and then turn hyper aggressive.

Comments thus far are interesting. Thanks.

**JokersWild** · 01-18-2006

Originally Posted by The Real DeCoy

You had a roughly 4K pot which would have cost you 1K to see to the river.

I agree with this for a cash game. But in a tournament you can't buy back in.

Originally Posted by The Real DeCoy

I have a feeling that this was not your discomfort with calling but rather the fact that the buyin was $15 and you may have had emotional issues with the price.

I have been playing with "other people's money" for months now so money is not an issue for me. Getting into the money in a tournament is what I am concerned about so when I faced with risking all my chips, I take a moment to think about it, especially when it's a call rather than a push.

BTW, I laid down AA PF at the final table of an MTT. Can you guess the circumstances?

**gder03** · 01-18-2006

its like what. 1/23 he has AA? multiply it by the strength he is showing maybe its 1/10.

**JokersWild** · 01-18-2006

Originally Posted by Marm

A lot of player will make this move with TT+ and AJo+.......

I find this hard to believe is this case. He re-raised the initial raiser (a 6xBB UTG raise by the way) and then went over the top when faced with a re-re-raise. To me that's crazy or AA.

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