Fixed Limit vs. No Limit

**Shade** · 11-05-2004

Limit is more meticulous and after a while to me becomes monotonous...this is not good as my mind starts to wander. That said, I've been successful playing limit as well as no-limit. The knowledge that all my chips could be in play at any time in the latter, however, keeps me more alert to my surroundings and therefore is my "preferred" game.

If you can handle big swings in the bankroll, go no-limit. If you need to keep a more steady hand on your cash, then limit minimizes the risk for a major shift in a small time period (assuming some degree of talent, obviously)

**SteveY** · 11-05-2004

If you guys are seriously considering limit, you should really consider a move to Party Poker skins. Think of it like the .05/.10c tables at PS = the .5/1 tables at PP. I haven't tried higher PS levels, but I'd guess it's SOO much easier to find a good game on Party.

And there can be big swings in limit too (espcially very aggressive 6max tables), so don't think you've escaped! mwahaha

**Naruto** · 11-05-2004

Hey,

Yeah I know there're big swings in limit. If you're moving to limit to reduce variance... That's trouble

.

Right now I've only played like 150 .25/.5 limit hands. The whole time I felt like I was an animal trapped in a small cage. It was torture. But still, it should make me a better player.

Oh and I hear SH limit is too crazy. Huge fluctuations.

PP? I haven't tried their site. I know they got loads of limit tables, but doesn't the interface blow chunks? This's what I heard.

There's also the fact that it's 10 handed in limit, where the PS NL tables are all 9. Might not seem like a big deal...

Would any winning limit players like to email me a collection of their hands? say 10k (preferably someone who plays full table ring limit at least 80 percent of his poker time...)? I read on another site that if you get ciaffone's small stakes limit book, and follow what it suggests down to the letter, you will become a winning limit player. So this looks like a good 'foundation' for my humble .25/.5 limit beginnings.

Cheers,

Mike

**VeNSe** · 11-05-2004

The more ppl at the table, the better i think, SH is very bad for my style so i will not try it anyways.

But i dont mind PP's interface. You can play 4 tables that is ok, the software is heavier for your pc but nothing too bad. Actually 1 month ago when i played some 0.25/0.5 limit there to get my bonus i won around 50$ in 500 hands. Thats why i was always thinking i have to try it.

**SteveY** · 11-05-2004

PP's interface is fine. It's only a bit worse than PS, which is a small cost compared to the great great games you can find there.

10 handed vs 9 handed shouldn't be a big difference. More the merrier.

As for sending hand histories, I don't have 10K hands in PT yet, and even then they're not all full ring games. Some are shorthanded at full tables, some are 6-max, etc. The best way to get help is to post hands of course

. For example, one time I saw on 2+2, someone posted 50 consecutive hands showing preflop action and asked for a critique. Stuff like that would porbably help a lot.

As for books, I can't say I've read any of these, but I've heard Internet Texas Hold'em by Matt Hilger is good. Brier/Ciaffone too. And Small Stakes Hold'em by Ed Miller. Each book will take your game to a different level. So if you do decide to read all of them, then read them in that order. Hilger -> Ciaffone -> Miller.

**Shade** · 11-05-2004

Just to clarify...what I meant earlier by swings was meant more for the short term -- you won't find yourself losing your whole buy-in on one hand in limit like you can in no limit. Over the long term, yes, there can be significant fluctuations in your bankroll in both games.

What I was meaning to get at was the fact that a "bad night" in no-limit can be 90 hands of good poker and one hand of "@#$!! I made the wrong decision" By contrast, a bad night in limit takes time developing, which gives you more chances to get up and walk away and cut losses for the session.

**SteveY** · 11-05-2004

lol

Yes, Limit downswings are slow and painful.

**bonchkid** · 11-05-2004

Originally Posted by Girevik

I was getting killed in limit, and am having a little more success with NL (maybe I'm just not losing it as fast). My problem was limit was that with a made hand I could never bet enough to get rid of the draws and it seemed they'd always hit them on the river.

On the other hand, maybe I just wasn't playing my draws as strongly as I should have.

You still make money from people chasing you.

Also playing flush draws in limit is a bit weird.. When you have the nut flush draw and 5-6 people in the pot.. You want as much money in as possible. Your equity is like 35%? And with 6 people you want to be raising and 3 betting as long as you can keep the tuna's in.

**bonchkid** · 11-05-2004

I think limit actaully has a much higher variance for a good player vs fish. In NL you can get all your money in on a huge favorite AA v JJ on limit you make less on these and lose just as much

**metashdw** · 11-07-2004

no limit is funner in my opinion, requires more skill and daring. easier to lose and whatnot.
maybe not more skill, but i still like it ^_^

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