hmm.. what the hell happened here.. im guessing this guy flopped a set, or had JJ.. but JJ probably would have raised me on the flop.. so im leaning more toward a set.. what do u guys think? this guy was playing a little loose tho, so QJ is also a possibility.




Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (9 handed) converter

Hero ($131.10)
CO ($48.50)
Button ($97.80)
SB ($76.60)
BB ($100.95)
UTG ($70.30)
UTG+1 ($102.60)
MP1 ($47.35)
MP2 ($39.50)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with , .
3 folds, Hero raises to $3.5, 1 fold, Button calls $3.50, SB calls $3, BB calls $2.50.

Flop: ($14) , , (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $11, Button calls $11, SB folds, BB folds.

Turn: ($36) (3 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $20, Hero calls $20.

River: ($76) (3 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $63.3 (All-In), Hero folds.

Final Pot: $76

Results in white below:
Button doesn't show.
Outcome:
$3 is raked from a pot of $76.
Button wins $73.

You should have raised more pre flop, and a little more on the flop too. With aces, and that kind of flop, you wanna take the pot as quickly as possible, not giving anyone wiggle room to call in the hopes of drawing for one of their outs.
By the time the turn came, you were already in danger, unless like you assume, the guy had trips. He slowplayed well if he did have trips....if he was on a draw, he just took advantage of your not betting enough.

Anyhow, it does suck to lose with aces....and even with that board it still takes guts to fold em. Good discipline for the right move, but you couldve saved yourself the trouble (and earned some $$) with better betting.

Jameison,

The Pot was $14 on the flop and he bet $11. How much do you think he should have bet? That's about 2.2-1 odds to call and enough to give incorrect odds for an OESD.

Originally Posted by bonchkid

You consider checkraising the turn?

yeah, i was considering check-raising this on the turn.. but then i thought, if this guy actually has flopped the set (which is just what this guys play imitates - jacks would have raised me on the flop, queens, kings and aces would have re-raised preflop.. so the only thing that could have flat out called my near 80%potsize bet on the flop like that COULD only have been a set), so i figured that if i check-raise this turn, then im pretty much helping him build the pot on the turn, almost drawing dead (i figure im probably less than 2 outs since i get so many callers preflop).. and if i do check-raise him on the turn, and he moves all-in, i would be too pot commited to lay it down.. which i believe is the ultimate demise in a cash game - getting urself commited with a hand that looks good, but is actually dominated... i believe that in order to be able to make money in a NL holdem cash game you have to realize that people CAN indeed flop sets on you, especially when u have a superior hand yourself.. and that realizing this, and making the appropriate laydowns, even though you have a great hand yourself (a great hand it may seem to you, but in reality its really dominated after the flop, etc.) will ultimately save/make you money.. its all about getting your money in the pot in good spots, and this is clearly not one of them..

nevertheless, my reasoning behind the check-call on the turn was that.. if this guy had anything less of the straight by the river, or anything less of a set for that matter, then he would give me a free check on the river for the showdown..


overall, i think i made a good play/read on this guy, and a great laydown with the aces on the river.. the only thing i could have probably done differently would be to lead out again on the turn.. which i think would have been a better play.

Originally Posted by WotaWaster

Jameison,

The Pot was $14 on the flop and he bet $11. How much do you think he should have bet? That's about 2.2-1 odds to call and enough to give incorrect odds for an OESD.

I would'vebet out $20...only $9 more, but percentage-wise an increase of about 50%. I don't know what OESD means. The thing is, with that bet, he might not have gotten called, but he'd have won the pot. When he got called and the turn card came, he was in "much more danger" already. Also, if someone called the $20, I'd be much more scared of him already (trips or top two pair)...and wouldve been much more likely to fold on the turn.