Total hands- 5,048
VP$IP- 15.63
VP$IP from SB- 21.83
Won $WSF- 25.74
Went to SD%- 29.65
Won $ at SD- 53.08
PF raise %- 4.22 (Okay I know this needs to be higher and I'm working on it)


So why is it I can't make any money? I know this isn't a large sample size but I should be able to at least get a rough idea after 5K hands right?

I was playing .05/.10 limit with almost identical numbers for about 7K hands with a BB/100 of 5. I moved to .10/.20 and I'm basically even (most I was ever up was a whoping $20.) and the quality of the players isn't any better. I mean there's a rake taken at this level but not at .05/.10 but can that be the difference?

Is this just a variance thing, I know some people here had a downswing after reading SSH and adapting those strategies. Which is what I'm doing now, any thoughts?

I think that you are not seeing the river enough from those stats. Usually I showdown about 31-34% and W$SD around 51%. Maybe you are folding the winner? If thats the case, that is your whole leak. If you read SSH then you know how big a mistake this is. Also, I was running around PFR of 5.5% before reading SSH. Now I'm 7-8% and its a big improvement.

Also, make sure you are using great trapping plays in the micros. Donkeys will call or raise liberally with TPXK. If you have 2 pair or better exploit it. check-raise, seek overcalls in the flop, check raise the turn, seek overcalls on the river. Milk em like a teat. my .10/.20 numbers were around 3/100 and now are running 7/100 and while I have stopped on the limit games for a bit, I was 2-4 tabling so its not even like I was superfocused or anything.

The problem I'm having is nothing is working, in a span of few thousand hands I'm down 150bb. Between .05/.10 and.10.20 I have a little over 12K hands, so far I'm still up but a few more sessions at the rate I'm going I'll be either even or down. Has anybody had runs in limit where you're down 150+ BB? This is a first for me being down that many BB from playing ring games.

Originally Posted by Pok 7's

The problem I'm having is nothing is working, in a span of few thousand hands I'm down 150bb. Between .05/.10 and.10.20 I have a little over 12K hands, so far I'm still up but a few more sessions at the rate I'm going I'll be either even or down. Has anybody had runs in limit where you're down 150+ BB? This is a first for me being down that many BB from playing ring games.

Streaks of being down 150BB will happen often if you play for any length of time....expect them. I can't tell much from your stats as to what you can be doing wrong, but I can tell that you are looking at the analysis of you game bass ackwards. There isn't a perfect went to showdown percentage or Vip % or even a VIP SB%. I do feel however that you'd like a won at showdown percentage of around 55%....so that looks fine. Stats are a derivitive of your hand by hand play and have very little analytical value on their own.

Here's a starting place;

When looking at poker tracker (5,000 hands is plenty to see patterns), order the possible hand combinations on the General Info tab by BB/hand. Scroll down the list until you find your first hand that you never voluntarily play. Mine on my 20,000 hand database is 93o. I lose .05 BB everytime I get that cheese. Theoretically, every hand that I voluntarily play in which I lose more than .05BB/hand is a leak since if I never played that hand I would only lose .05BB/hand.

Once you know which hands your losing on, then you can look at how you play that hand and figure out how to play it better, or not play it at all, to correct the leak. If you can figure it out or you see chronic patterns then post some hands here and ask for advise.

Good Luck

Well I was basicly trying to stck to the starting hand requirements from SSH for tight games almost to the letter. I'll try loosening up a little more and raising a wider range of PF hands for a while an see how that goes. I've always tended to be a little passive PF but I tend to get agressive post flop. Using Marms rules for my auto rate I'm listed as a TP-A which like I said I've been working on getting more agressive PF. Also I'll try looking for patterns like Jackemy suggested.

If the game isn't tight, why are you using SSH's tight game starting hands?

On average there tends to be on average 4-6 people post flop so I was going off of 5 as an average.

I'm at around 5k hands at the micros on Hollywood since my DB reset... clearing 10.6 BB/100 with a 23% VP$IP and 12.5% PFR. I went to showdown 39% and won cash at showdown 49%.

This is mostly at .15/.30 with a bit of .25/.50.

Finally... being a losing or breakeven player at 5k hands doesn't neccessarily mean you ARE one... but the more hands you play with a losing record makes it more and more likely that your game needs to change.